Best way to find out what pathogen(s) I might still have?

I would love to know what pathogens I still might have swimming around in my body but not interested in the traditional blood/urine type tests. Done those, very expensive, inconsistent results.

My issues are nerves nerves and more nerves. Affects my chest area (heart feels like its starting to race but actually isn't), my head, sometimes back of my knees.

None of this falls cleanly into oh that's definitely Bart look at the streaks on my skin? Or joint issues that flare up monthly.

So, what are the best options out there for accomplishing?

I've heard things like blood microscopy (like Hansa does), muscle testing, biomagnetism.

I'm not interested in spending tons of money but will be ok if I can find something that will give me some idea what may be causing my nerve issues.

Armed with this knowledge I can be more targeted in hitting the pathogen(s) by using things like Rife.

Thanks.

Personally, I've thought about doing bioresonance.

Rikky I'd consider doing a Aperiomecs blood work.

This is the thread from Lyme net on it. flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=137169;p=0

You can call them. I did a blood draw Monday and took the urine kit home with me. I was debating on doing it and called to see what other types of things they could find from a urine sample. Whomever I was speaking to was very knowledgeable. It's expensive but I'm doing it for the exact reason your questioning. At this point I need to know what is my roadblock. What do I still need to treat. I'm tired of this and need to crap and get of this pot.

Rikky1, what % would you say you are at now? have the abx therapies helped level you up over time? but I hear ya, there is burnout with the synthetic chemical treatments over the long term.

Are you strongly considering trying BVT? While it seems like a pain in the ### to start out and get set up, and I don't like the idea of killing bees either, it has a plausibility to it. And it seems more harmonious than nuclear blasting with abx. I mean sure, you gotta be careful about allergic responses, but otherwise to me it is a very tempting therapy. Depending on how far abx take me I will consider trying it out.

2.5 yrs is all the bvt i needed to get back to work ....keep us posted rikky rooting 4 u

you have a rife machine yes?

if so, what I am doing is using the DNA freqs as basically a medical test. Each freq costs $10 - 25, so i figure its like a cheap medical test

I just buy the freq, then run it on my spooky plasma and see if I get any kind of reaction. If i run the freq for a nice long time and get no reaction at all...i assume thats not a pathogen i am dealing with.

I mean when i run lyme DNA freqs i FEEL it, big time, no question. Same with babs and mold etc

I can run bartonella freqs all day long and I feel nothing, no reaction.

using this method i have discovered I am still dealing with Enterococcus, Ehrlichia, Hanta virus, herpes 1, 3, 6, and few others.

This only works for me with the DNA freqs though.

Have you tried DNA babesia freqs? They are great, and anytime you are dealing with heart issue you have to suspect babs. If you get them multiply the frequencies by 256, this will bring them into the range that Rife himself used.

so i called Aperiomecs and had a long conversation with them i also talked to my doctor today in detail about it.

this test is unlike any other test that's available on the market as far as i can tell.

they've sequenced the entire genome for 37,000 known pathogens so if they find a match with your biological sample its a 100% certainty that you have that pathogen.

this is different than PCR which extracts the DNA, spins it up and makes copies which essentially creates a much wider range of "positives".

this test is considered 100x more accurate than PCR.

compare this to DNA Connexions Urine test. ever wonder why 90% of the people that take this test are lyme positive? it's because of the flaws in the PCR approach which is better for research purposes versus diagnosis.

sure back in the 80's when it first came out it was all the rage but being able to sequence the entire genome of all these pathogens is a huge leap forward in accuracy.

the downsides of this test. you of course have to capture the pathogen in your sample which isn't always the case.

it's dang expensive each sample (no matter the biological sample e.g. plasma, urine, fecal, etc.) is $1000.

they are fighting with insurance companies like Aetna to have the CPT codes covered by insurance. the guy told me Medicare covers the codes but Aetna is stubborn calling it experimental which it definitely isn't.

i'm sensitive to spending money but may give this one a whirl since it seems my insurance company (Aetna) may cover half the cost since one CPT code seems to be covered.

if this doesn't work out I might try the bioresonance.

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in terms of my symptoms not being caused by an active infection i don't believe that due to simple cause and effect. when i'm off my abx for a few days the symptoms start creeping back in. when i'm on them they stay at bay.

could something else be happening that the abx is causing to subdue the symptoms sure but the most simple explanation is its killing/subduing the bugs causing my nerve flare ups.

Rikky1 said...
lapis i've bought quite a few DNA frequencies from Char and none of them do anything to me.

the mystery deepens.... ;o)

which ones did you use?

what machine?

Rikky1 said...
so i called Aperiomecs and had a long conversation with them i also talked to my doctor today in detail about it.

this test is unlike any other test that's available on the market as far as i can tell.

they've sequenced the entire genome for 37,000 known pathogens so if they find a match with your biological sample its a 100% certainty that you have that pathogen.

this is different than PCR which extracts the DNA, spins it up and makes copies which essentially creates a much wider range of "positives".

this test is considered 100x more accurate than PCR.

compare this to DNA Connexions Urine test. ever wonder why 90% of the people that take this test are lyme positive? it's because of the flaws in the PCR approach which is better for research purposes versus diagnosis.

sure back in the 80's when it first came out it was all the rage but being able to sequence the entire genome of all these pathogens is a huge leap forward in accuracy.

the downsides of this test. you of course have to capture the pathogen in your sample which isn't always the case.

it's dang expensive each sample (no matter the biological sample e.g. plasma, urine, fecal, etc.) is $1000.

they are fighting with insurance companies like Aetna to have the CPT codes covered by insurance. the guy told me Medicare covers the codes but Aetna is stubborn calling it experimental which it definitely isn't.

i'm sensitive to spending money but may give this one a whirl since it seems my insurance company (Aetna) may cover half the cost since one CPT code seems to be covered.

if this doesn't work out I might try the bioresonance.

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in terms of my symptoms not being caused by an active infection i don't believe that due to simple cause and effect. when i'm off my abx for a few days the symptoms start creeping back in. when i'm on them they stay at bay.

could something else be happening that the abx is causing to subdue the symptoms sure but the most simple explanation is its killing/subduing the bugs causing my nerve flare ups.

That's why I chose to do the test. I just did blood but it's my understanding that if you do multiple tests at the same time they are discounted. Individual tests are each $1000, but if you do multiples they are $700....at least that's what I was told if I added urine testing. It was implied that it was that way for all multiple tests.


Aerose-no one else has 37,000 pathogens sequenced. This is far more advanced than what can be seen in a blood stain

jrpsf said...
Rikky I'd consider doing a Aperiomecs blood work.

This is the thread from Lyme net on it. flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=137169;p=0

You can call them. I did a blood draw Monday and took the urine kit home with me. I was debating on doing it and called to see what other types of things they could find from a urine sample. Whomever I was speaking to was very knowledgeable. It's expensive but I'm doing it for the exact reason your questioning. At this point I need to know what is my roadblock. What do I still need to treat. I'm tired of this and need to crap and get of this pot.

Hey, please please please please please report back with your results. This is the first test I've been interested in in a while. So much that I'm considering letting myself relapse so I can get a good read on my blood

Aerose91 said...
You said you saw Dr J. Doesn't he do a blood stain on his patients? Therefore he could see what, if any pathogens are in your blood

No he doesn’t.

Psilociraptor said...
Curious why they told you not to "waste your money"

i would love to know the context as well. opinions are ok but i want facts as to why this approach isn't worth the money.

The CEO has an impressive list of credentials. The below article is mostly marketing but look at her credentials.

www.novachamber.org/blog/chamber-member-and-aperiomics-ceo-dr-crystal-icenhour-launches-technology-for-improving-detection-of-infectious-diseases

thanks jrpsf.

not sure what he means by looking for foreign DNA in the plasma, not intracellularly. whatever they draw from you they break down and pull the DNA of anything in the biological sample no matter what form or location.

as we all know you must have the pathogens in your sample for it to detect it. nothing in that thread tells me they can't do what they say which is sequence the DNA of the pathogens in their database and with certainty say you have it and at what %. pretty cool stuff if you ask me.

i don't think you need to do more than plasma for identifying pathogens. maybe fecal if you suspect serious parasite problems. they also do CSF tests but that would be an expert having to tell you that.

to get your pathogen load up into the blood you need to do something. i think the best approach is to get off your meds for however long it takes to feel like garbage, do a deep tissue massage and then run on a treadmill for a few miles right before the test.

i wouldn't spend the money on DNA Connexions. 90% lyme positive for all samples? something smells fishy and i know enough on how they do PCR to say its not nearly as accurate as something like this.

i have no problem with the young history of the company. many companies start up this way where do you think Microsoft, Apple and others came from? try reading their history there almost wasn't an Apple or Microsoft.

this company is in early stage financing i think series B. just because they aren't backed by big names and such doesn't mean their solution isn't as valid.

the key is always going to be can you get the pathogens into the sample. that's a problem any test is going to have but the technology to identify them is solid and i haven't seen any peer reviews that are questioning their approach. firms in this space regulate themselves through such means.

i'm going to give it a whirl and will report back.