L-arginine, Herpes, and Buhner

Good evening all,

When Buhner writes that you must not use L-arginine if you have a herpes infection, is he referring to sexually transmitted herpes, chicken pox, Epstein Barr Virus, or all of the above.

Thank you in advance for your thoughtful response.

Yeppers... NO L-arginine OR nuts such as almonds that are high in L-arginine.

HUMAN herpes viruses include:
Hsv1 & 2(herpes simplex virus)
Chicken pox /shingles are caused by a human herpes virus.
Mono. Aka eptsein-barr also a human herpes virus known as EbV
CMV is a human herpes virus

The absolute WORSE one is the herpes virus causing childhood illness known as rosiola...when RE-activated(either by spirochetes or mycoplasma), it causes MAJOR cascading cytokine firestorm.. HHV6 reactivation is what turns HIV into AIDS!!!

HHV6 reactvation not only causes AIDS(w/HIV), but is linked to gulf war syndrome, CFS, fibromyalgia, & M.S.

Theres an entire foundation of/for research into just this 1 herpes strain>HHV6!

I'm not sure. I was taking L-arganine for about a month and I was getting really bad fever blisters. It took me awhile to put two and two together until I stopped. lol. But If I suffered from any herpes form you mentioned than I'd probably steer clear of L-arganine just to be safe.

JayPoppa said...
I'm not sure. I was taking L-arganine for about a month and I was getting really bad fever blisters. It took me awhile to put two and two together until I stopped. lol. But If I suffered from any herpes form you mentioned than I'd probably steer clear of L-arganine just to be safe.

Thank you. I’m sorry you went through that.

k07 said...

18yearsandcounting said...

k07 said...
This is what I could find from buhner site:
If you have active herpes, chicken pox, or shingles DO NOT USE L-arginine.

I would think if you have oral or genital herpes (cold sores on occasion) you should not use l-arginine. A bit harder to know if you have chronic EBV, but then he doesn't specify EBV. I've heard sometimes shingles can be neuro so that may be hard to decipher.

The chronic EBV was what I was looking for. My titers are sky high. Thanks.

For what it’s worth, I was taking collagen (contains l-arginine) and was feeling awesome. I then had some type of viral outbreak. It was horrible and I still am not sure what it was but leaning towards shingles. I am neg for hsv 1 & 2, but also have sky high igg for ebv. I am stearing clear of l-arginine.

Sounds like a great plan! . Me too!

borrelioburgdorferii said...
I have cytomegalovirus and wonder if Lysine breaks it up, it's weird because most people are asymptomatic but it seems to be re-activated and is my added "tiredness" achy symptom. I'll say it does seem I get more outbreaks and am more susceptible to opportunistic viruses like HHV's.

I now fervently believe Lyme disease turns on or reactivates Herpes infections, and it’s not a gentle process. It wreaks havoc on your body. That’s why my doctor believes if he treats the EBV, Lyme disease will go away. Of course I still have to treat mold/CIRS, Bartonella, Candida, etc., separately. That’s why I always say to people that Lyme disease is the least of my problems. It’s done its damage, now it’s time to correct that damage by going after the root cause: EBV.

k07 said...
If you follow Dr. Klinghardt, he is now saying that retroviruses are at the heart of it all. He is finding that treating retroviruses first make lyme treatment relatively easy. I am not sure I fully understand it but I do know HIV is a retrovirus. There is also the XMRV virus that is talked about in the Chronic Fatigue world. Maybe they will find that retroviruses are at the heart of most chronic or autoimmune diseases.

I have seen discussions of Dr. K saying this but I tested negative for all retroviruses, so this may not apply to very many Lyme disease patients. I will say again that Herpes viruses are at the heart of this. Not many people have not had them or not been exposed. In fact most of the worlds population has been exposed to EBV, which makes Lyme disease a perfect storm for just about anyone.

18yearsandcounting said...

k07 said...
If you follow Dr. Klinghardt, he is now saying that retroviruses are at the heart of it all. He is finding that treating retroviruses first make lyme treatment relatively easy. I am not sure I fully understand it but I do know HIV is a retrovirus. There is also the XMRV virus that is talked about in the Chronic Fatigue world. Maybe they will find that retroviruses are at the heart of most chronic or autoimmune diseases.

I have seen discussions of Dr. K saying this but I tested negative for all retroviruses, so this may not apply to very many Lyme disease patients. I will say again that Herpes viruses are at the heart of this. Not many people have not had them or not been exposed. In fact most of the worlds population has been exposed to EBV, which makes Lyme disease a perfect storm for just about anyone.

What retroviruses did you test for?

That's a pretty cool test - I just looked it up. I wanted to ask you, when you said your EBV was sky high, was it your IGG values? My IGM is negative but my IGG is high - so high they didn't give me a value. Just says >600.

sebreg said...
Seems a bit like a chicken or the egg thing. But I think that exposure to lyme/coinfections amplifies and unleashes those viruses. Probably could argue vice versa, it's honestly hard to say for sure. But these things probably work together, which one is more important might depend on each individual's particular situation. Give the nature of lyme/coinfections and their tendency to manipulate and disable the immune system, I'd think that if you effectively treat the lyme/coinfections that the immune system will get back online and put the viruses back in their place... that's just my personal thinking on that, doesn't mean it is correct, obviously!

I would, and have thought that as well, but is anyone really getting better just treating for Lyme disease and coinfections? Or is there really more to it? Think of everything Yolanda Hadid had to go through to get better (ie. teeth and breast implants) for example. To me it’s more than just treating Lyme disease, but I certainly respect your opinion.

BuckeyeSDH said...

18yearsandcounting said...

borrelioburgdorferii said...
I have cytomegalovirus and wonder if Lysine breaks it up, it's weird because most people are asymptomatic but it seems to be re-activated and is my added "tiredness" achy symptom. I'll say it does seem I get more outbreaks and am more susceptible to opportunistic viruses like HHV's.

I now fervently believe Lyme disease turns on or reactivates Herpes infections, and it’s not a gentle process. It wreaks havoc on your body. That’s why my doctor believes if he treats the EBV, Lyme disease will go away. Of course I still have to treat mold/CIRS, Bartonella, Candida, etc., separately. That’s why I always say to people that Lyme disease is the least of my problems. It’s done its damage, now it’s time to correct that damage by going after the root cause: EBV.

My understanding is that there is no cure for EBV and Herpes. You can manage and treat the symptoms, but will live with the virus for the rest of your life.

Is that what you mean when you say go after the root cause? Just treat the symptoms to keep it in check?

No. Refer to my discussion with k07. PrimeSpot is the test you use to get an idea of what viruses you have. Then RGCC (company) makes an antiviral to what you have tested positive for (one virus at a time) and you must wait 6 months in between each antiviral shot. Before that you have to be retested with the PrimeSpot test and then receive the new treatment from RGCC. It’s supposed to obliterate the EBV, or whatever viral infection you have. It’s new, and the technology has been used on cancer patients for awhile.