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Posted 8/17/2018 10:50 AM (GMT 0)
Hi again,

I'm dealing with chronic Lyme and herbs treatment for one year. In the beginning I was taking antibiotic but soon discovered that I developed terrible reactions on it so I stopped.

Lately the same happens with herbs. After one terrible reaction when I incidentally took more than usual amount I got terrible dizziness, low blood preasure, air hunger and numbing so I stopped with everything for a while.

I did feel better with therapy in last couple of months although I manage it myself because I don't have reliable Lyme doctor in my country.

I read many articles about Lyme and two possible conditions can trigger such reactions: bad detoxing or mast cells disorder.

For detox I use Epstom salt baths and lot of vegetables.

What do you think is going on here?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted 8/17/2018 5:24 PM (GMT 0)
" After one terrible reaction when I incidentally took more than usual amount I got terrible dizziness, low blood preasure, air hunger and numbing "

- which herb was this?
Posted 8/17/2018 6:40 PM (GMT 0)
Artemisia annua. I'm taking it already for 8 months with Cordyceps and garlic occassionaly. But I'm not sure what happened that day I just tried one drop of Oregano oil to put on my hand, because it is strong I wanted to try it over skin. I didn't believe it even works that way. But I also took more than usual Artemisia powder that day. I'm taking it from capsule in halfs. Never couldn't stand to take all capsule.
Posted 8/17/2018 7:35 PM (GMT 0)
Dizzyness and air hunger sound like babesia symptoms, and artemisia is one of the most used herbs for babesia.

Maybe you had a herx from the extra artemisia.
Posted 8/17/2018 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
Maybe but thing is I can't tolerate almost any herb or suplement anymore because immediately when I take it I have that reaction. I noticed it during last couple of months that I became less tolerant to everything. I try minimal doses to avoid it but I doubt it is usefull at all.

I took 7 days break from everything, felt better but now I feel loss of energy again and I need to continue herbs. But can't.

What can I do?
Posted 8/17/2018 8:05 PM (GMT 0)
I would try restarting with extremely low doses of the antimicrobials. And maybe initially don't dose every day. And then build up dosing over time as tolerated.

Also consider exploring more detox methods and seeing if any of those help.
Posted 8/17/2018 8:11 PM (GMT 0)
Sebreg thanks. But does this looks like herx only or maybe can be alergic reaction?
Posted 8/17/2018 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
I'm no doc of course, but yes seems more like a herx imo. Especially since you've had similar respones to other antimicobials before. The air hunger response is a huge indicator you are hitting babesia and having a herx response, at least that's how I see it!
Posted 8/18/2018 12:25 AM (GMT 0)
Dizzyness and drop in blood pressure are also symptoms of anaphylaxis (systemic allergic reaction).

Do you think you may have histamine intolerance or mast cell issues? Leaky gut? Candida die-off?

Just some ideas of other possible causes to look at.

I have times when I seem to have reactions to herbs/supplements, too, especially after my evening dose. It happens pretty immediately, too. I have not figured out why. It isn't every time, though. It seems to occur in bouts and then it goes away.
Posted 8/18/2018 6:49 AM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Dizzyness and drop in blood pressure are also symptoms of anaphylaxis (systemic allergic reaction).

Do you think you may have histamine intolerance or mast cell issues? Leaky gut? Candida die-off?

Just some ideas of other possible causes to look at.

I have times when I seem to have reactions to herbs/supplements, too, especially after my evening dose. It happens pretty immediately, too. I have not figured out why. It isn't every time, though. It seems to occur in bouts and then it goes away.

Yes exactly like that. It doesn't happen every time but sometimes happens and especially in the evening.

In case if it is intolerance or mast cells issues what can be done?
Posted 8/18/2018 2:07 PM (GMT 0)
For mast cell issues, I've heard that antihistamines can be helpful. This article gives some options to try: /www.lymedisease.org/lyme-sci-mcas-agony/
Posted 8/18/2018 7:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks sebreg. I don't have hives so it doesn't look that typical. I'm not sure what it is.

Is someone has experience with Quercetin?
Posted 8/18/2018 9:02 PM (GMT 0)

nonames said...
Thanks sebreg. I don't have hives so it doesn't look that typical. I'm not sure what it is.

Is someone has experience with Quercetin?

I take it - The J clinic told me it was a good idea. For inflammation and it's a natural anti-histamine.
Posted 8/18/2018 9:04 PM (GMT 0)
terrible dizziness, low blood preasure, are also dysautonmia symptoms.

What's your pulse when this happens...does it rise?
Posted 8/18/2018 9:52 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie, yes puls rises a little bit but it becomes weaker also. But drop in blood pressure happened in most terrible cases. Usually it is just air hunger dizziness and cough.

What is dysautonomia symptom?
Posted 8/18/2018 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
dysautonomia refers to symptoms related to the Autonomic nervous system.


"The autonomic nervous system regulates certain body processes, such as blood pressure and the rate of breathing. This system works automatically (autonomously), without a person’s conscious effort.

Disorders of the autonomic nervous system can affect any body part or process. Autonomic disorders may be reversible or progressive.

Anatomy of the autonomic nervous system
The autonomic nervous system is the part of the nervous system that supplies the internal organs, including the blood vessels, stomach, intestine, liver, kidneys, bladder, genitals, lungs, pupils, heart, and sweat, salivary, and digestive glands."


/www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/home/brain,-spinal-cord,-and-nerve-disorders/autonomic-nervous-system-disorders/overview-of-the-autonomic-nervous-system

Mine isn't severe and has gotten better since treatment.

When I stand up, my pulse rate goes up - used to be 110/120 bpm.
Now it is often just in the 90's...except on bad days...then it goes higher.


The NP at my LLMD clinic called it "limbic irritability".
Posted 8/18/2018 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
I have some of the simptoms from link you posted but majority and worst of them occur immidiately after taking herbs or suplements. Can that be dysautonomia syndrom in that case?
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