K Lewis - Identifying vancomycin as an effective antibiotic for killing Borrelia burgdorferi

Psilociraptor said...
"Something like Celiac has been triggered by an infection, a study has shown that through reovirus. But the infection has passed"

This has never ever been proven. Dummys arrive to this conclusion when they conflate absence of evidence for persistent infection with evidence of absence. The immune system doesn't just stay turned on for no reason. There are so many redundant feedback mechanisms to shut it off when the trigger is gone. Take Guillaine-barre for example. Autoimmune disease caused by food poisoning. Food poisoning illness is actually cleared, autoimmune disease disappears.

Celiac is permanent and it never goes away, something like reovirus has most likely passed due to it not being a very harsh virus.

If you you honestly think Celiac leaves the body just because the infection is gone, you have some more reading to do.

Psilociraptor said...


"So do you still think I'm completely off the rails Psilociraptor? "

Yes

Thanks, I'm off the rails because we have a little disagreement on autoimmunity and you call people that have a difference of opinion Dummys.

Way to keep it civil Psilociraptor!

I honestly think you have a misconception of some autoimmune diseases as well, because some of them can be permanent and stay turned on. Michael J Fox is a good example as well as an autoimmune disease such as Celiac Disease. There isn't always an underlying infection at all times, because some people's body can be so far gone due to old age or a weakened immune sytem, it can stay turned on for the reist of life. Again, a good example is Celiac, which is permanent and always will be there. Same with people I suspect with "genetic" autoimmune diseases, something they inherited from their parents.

I just think the term is very loosely because big pharma has found out by labeling a person with an autoimmune disease or disorder, that means permanent financian income for them and no curing. The money keeps rolling in for both Doctors, the hospitals, and big pharma. They've misused the word and abused the diagnosis for all its worth.

Is there real genetic autoimmune diseases and disorders out there that could be permanent without an underlying infection, sure, do a lot of these autoimmune disease still have an underlying infection as well, sure.

If you'd do a little more reading, as I explained in my other comment about prion disease. Prions are "not an infection," but a protein, which as we've recently found out can cause an autoimmune disease such as Alzheimers.

Psilociraptor said...
And no pharma companies do not write the books, academics do. Like a huge collaboration of academics. People are fallible, but conspiracy is not likely.

Yes

"Drug Maker Hired Writing Company for Doctors’ Book, Documents Say"

/www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/business/30drug.html

"Pharmaceutical company said to have written book for prominent Stanford physician"

/medium.com/stanfordreview/pharmaceutical-company-said-to-have-written-book-for-prominent-stanford-physician-ca7584e39fd6

"Of Harvard's 8,900 professors and lecturers, 1,600 admit that either they or a family member have had some kind of business link to drug companies — sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars — that could bias their teaching or research. Additionally, pharma contributed more than $11.5 million to the school last year for research and continuing-education classes."

content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1883449,00.html

"The boundaries between academic medicine — medical schools, teaching hospitals, and their faculty — and the pharmaceutical industry have been dissolving since the 1980s, and the important differences between their missions are becoming blurred. Medical research, education, and clinical practice have suffered as a result."

/www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2010/05/ex-editor-nejm-tells-how-big-pharma-has-corrupted-academic-institutions

It's very likely that a good percentage of medical books are starting to be ghost written by medical companies. As well as funded and influenced by them! Just because it doesn't have the corporate company's name in the index, doesn't mean they aren't funded, influenced or even ghost written by them Psilociraptor.

Psilociraptor said...
but conspiracy is not likely.

Yes

"Insurers Accused of Conspiring to Deny Lyme Disease Coverage"

/www.courthousenews.com/insurers-accused-conspiring-deny-lyme-disease-coverage/

Conspiracy is not likely, but it's the reason why Lyme patients have been denied longterm antibiotics for chronic lyme, lol

But hey, I'm totally off the rails Keep digging yourself a hole Psilociraptor!

Honestly I think you are out of tune with reality and you think the medical system is functioning properly. There's too much influence in our government and the healthcare system due to an free market and unregulated corporations. Lobbyism and corporations are the problem, that's why there's so much conspiracy and conspiring.

Net neutrality was just ended by corporate influence, even though the majority of the world, including our country wanted to keep net neutrality rules in place. Now just recently, we found out Verizon was throttling the California fire department while fighting the wildfires. To stop the throttling, they would have upgrade to a data plan twice the price.
/youtu.be/AOcOD78MJnY
/youtu.be/4Ly4RW2iFl0

We currently have a full blown capitalist in control of our Presidency now and he doesn't believe in science nor the consensus on climate change. By no surprise to me, he would give two craps about the California fire department having a hard time fighting wildfires due to a throttle internet service. Trump was the one who appointed Ajit Pai as the head of FCC chief. No conflicting interests there, even though Pai was lawyer for Verizon. Sound familiar, aka IDSA Doctors and their link to vaccine companies. But hey, no likely conspiring

Conspiracy is not likely in this country, lol... Wow and I'm off the rails, lol The democracy and republic you still believe in is long gone Psilociraptor, we live in chrony capitalism now, aka Corporate fascism.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/29/2018 3:11:00 PM (GMT-6)

Psilociraptor said...
The science is well understood on this particular issue" ---> "You think the medical system is flawless and just to patients? You're a supporter of chrony captialism who doesn't believe in conspiracy".

I'm not implying or have said you're a supporter of chrony capitalism, I said you're out of touch with reality, suggesting you're underplaying how bad the corporate influence of medical books as well as someone like Kim Lewis.

My guess is somewhere down the line you have gone to medical school or getting a degree related to medical, maybe not, but I still think you have hope in a system that is completely broken, regardless of you saying you're retreating to a mountainside homestead. If you didn't, you wouldn't be so offended by my honestly.

Psilociraptor said...

Anyways I can't take these wall of texts out of context rambles any more.

If you have the same view points about a broken system, why can't you take my honest opinions about the system that's broken. My comments aren't out of context or off the rails, I state factual things then completely back it up with an articles.

And I'm sorry, but when you suggest that a conspiracy isn't likely, most likely a person is going to give you related articles proving how conspiracy is wide spread in this country. I've debated with a lot of people over the years, the one thing that's completely underestimated in this country is conspiracy and how influential corporations are. There's so much propaganda and so many people on Xanax to desensitize them to go one with their daily lives, everyone is living in their own little bubble and out of touch with reality.

I also know that there's people out there that have a lot of faith in the system, until they come down with Chronic Lyme Disease and they have a complete nervous breakdown because of it. Some lyme patients take years to diagnose, because a lot of patients believe what they're told form their local Infectious Disease Doctor, that the "test is accurate, lyme disease is easy to cure with doxy, and lyme disease is rare." I remember hearing about this behind the scenes making of the Under Our Skin documentary, they were going to include the nervous breakdowns and psychiatric help, but they stripped it out, because they didn't want it to make it seem as though Lyme patients are nuts.

I don't think my answers are out of context, they are directly related to the comments you've expressed in this post. I go off on rants because of how screwed up the system really is, Lyme patients are a direct result of it. Hello, did you forget that you're on a Lyme Disease forum, where Doctors believe chronic Lyme doesn't exist and insurance companies don't pay for longterm antibiotic treatment?

Psilociraptor said...


Anyways I can't take these wall of texts out of context rambles any more. I tried to explain to you that persistent infectious disease and autoimmunity is not mutually exclusive because it's a well establish fact and you've drawn all kinds of other ridiculous assumptions from that. I don't care if doctors abuse those facts or organizations prey on technicalities to deny coverage. That doesn't change the facts. Autoimmune disease is not mutually exclusive with persistent infection period. Which is why Lewis's work is still relevant.

Bottom line is you have your own understanding what persistent infectious disease and autoimmunity is, the medical system's view on both of them is different, as well my own. I've pointed it how the medical system and Doctors treat autoimmunity with Lyme Disease. And then you just say I don't understand it.

Lewis's work is probably still relevant, yes, because probably treating chronic lyme with FMT can be somewhat beneficial to inflammation and autoimmunity, just like low dose naltrexone, but it's not going to cure chronic lyme disease. That was the whole premise of my arguement, that is all.

Lewis's Grant should be solely about targeting the source of the problem, not wasting on the time on money just on bringing down inflammation and an overactive immune system. Someone else can blow money on that. Just as Willy Burgdorfer has stated, too much time and money has been wasted due on the wrong things.
youtu.be/QLIWSkQdCmU?t=2m39s

And again, you said it yourself, you kill the infection, the disease will go away when the trigger is gone.

Psilociraptor said...
The immune system doesn't just stay turned on for no reason. There are so many redundant feedback mechanisms to shut it off when the trigger is gone. Take Guillaine-barre for example. Autoimmune disease caused by food poisoning. Food poisoning illness is actually cleared, autoimmune disease disappears.

Again, Lewis has pointed out that disulfiram will be for a acute lyme in early stages, how long he treats with it, my guess is maybe a few months seeing on how these Doctors underestimate the resiliency of a spirochete all these years and FMT will be for chronic lyme patients, aka PTLDS.

And as I stated up above, I'll be first to try FMT just for the hell of it, lol, that's if my insurance covers it. It could be beneficial for raising my immune system back to normal, even increasing T-cell count for chronic lyme patients who are in begging or middle of treatment for chronic lyme. Cure and remission is a big word and shouldn't be overused with Lyme Disease.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/29/2018 5:41:15 PM (GMT-6)

k07 said...
I can’t follow either of your posts! Your brains are obviously in great working order! I’m jealous

lol, treatment with those persister cell drugs helped me. Also have done plenty of marijuana and CBD over the last few years, which I think both helped stimulate my brain. Maybe a little too much, because Psilociraptor thinks I'm completely off the rails

Ahhhh it was a good conversation! Maybe you agree, disagree, it's all good... They don't call them Lyme Wars for nothing, lol, I think Psilociraptor and I have similar outlook on chronic lyme, but some other things not so much...

It's a lot easier to communicate in person, but I think people hold back a lot in person. On the other hand, it is to easy to misinterpret and take things out of context through text on forums and social media at times.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 8/29/2018 9:03:18 PM (GMT-6)