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Posted 9/5/2018 4:16 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all!!

I'm trying to stop losing weight so I decided to add a shake a day to my diet.
Of course i'm gluten/dairy/sugar free, no carbs.

I found 2 protein powder that I find interesting, I'd like to know if in your opinion, they are ok. And if so, which one look the best.

Thanks a lot guys...

Powder 1 Garden of Life:
/www.canadianvitaminshop.com/product-detail.aspx?iid=9401

Powder 2 Organika:
/organika.com/us/product/vegan-protein/
Posted 9/5/2018 6:13 AM (GMT 0)
Im no expert, but have used many protein powders in the past. As you might have figured out the veggie based powders are easier to digest vs the dairy / Whey loaded powders.

Obviously you can the first one has less protein but more variety of healthy "greens" in it. The second has more protein and is the first i've seen with fermented mushrooms in it (?).

These will not automatically help you gain "weight". Changeable Weight is a ratio of two things; muscle and non muscle fiber (fat), well.......plus water weight to I guess.

If you are trying to resemble your former size (just assuming this), it depends on your body type before and weight/fat ratio because protien helps build muscle IF your exercising.

It helps convert non muscle/fat to muscle which is denser and actually smaller in mass than fat. Some protein mixes are marketed for weight LOSS, but its a visual "loss", their visual size may decrease while maintaining the same pounds (which can be good).

For the average "Joe" - If you absorb protein correctly, fat can be slowly turned into leaner mass, but for that lean mass to transform to larger muscle mass takes a lot of work/exercise.

Which is why the big gym dudes who seek density AND mass go for protein AND CARBS. But your currently on a no carbs diet - so this will not be so easy.

The first place to start is how is your digestion, any gut issues? Im guessing its not so great, thus your weight loss........? If this is off, this would be a better place to start. If your gut is in rough shape, protein , even powdered, might not get absorbed.
Posted 9/5/2018 2:21 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for taking the time to answer me astroman.

I think you bring very good points, and I thought I'd allow myself to expend a little bit on them. Before doing so (to avoid Too Long Didn't Read post), in short:

about the protein supplement:
- I basically wanted to make sure that there was no "No no ingredient" in any of them. My knowledge is not that extensive yet, so I thought I'd double check with you guys smile
- Indeed I thought that the second one was pretty interesting considering the mushroom extract (Cordycept being something recommended for lyme I've read). Add to that fact that I believe it is recommended to not eat "mushrooms", I thought that having the chance to integrate them through supplement was a good idea.

Back to your valuable point:
I understand very well what you are explaining to me..
No longer than 3 months ago (before getting bite), I used to do bodybuilding 6 days a week and eat 6 meals a day.
My weight was 220 pounds, 11% body fat. I'm 6'3.
My weight is now 181 pouds, 8.2% body fat... I can only eat 3 times a day because of crazy pills/supplements/everything schedule.

I'm just worried about this weight loss. Almost 40 pounds... I really have nothing less to lose right now so it has to stop...

I've been hitting the gym every other day (as recommended by Burrascano),
Of course... I sadly cannot put any real weight on anything or else my joint kills me... so I would tend to agree that I don't necessarily produce enough muscle tears to generate muscle growth.
I just want to halt the melting lol.
I'm taking so many detox products and probiotics... I don't think there's much more improvement to be had in that department... sad
Posted 9/5/2018 2:56 PM (GMT 0)
Many of these more holistic "new age" protein formulas have so much green drink things in them its hard to tell what, if anything they will do. The more "green drink stuff" in them and digestive enzymes ect - the better for your gut health - or should be better anyway.

You didnt mention your gut health though.

With your low and lower body fat % (before and after lyme), sounds like maybe you are a more naturally leaner person who gained muscle mass before lyme and thats what your now losing.

Other than carbs, I dont know what is going to help gain mass back. And prob to sick to gain muscle, it was hard enough for me to just maintain.

So like your trying, to gain muscle you know its harder workouts that are needed. Since your getting pain (been there), have you tried DMSO topical on joints and cissus tablets? I have a few posts on these two from 6 months ago. They are also noted on lifting forums.
Posted 9/5/2018 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
Good stuff Astroman,
You got me with the whole "gut health" thingy, so I'll buy the Garden of Life powder tonight.
The idea is to alternate breakfast too. I've been eating 5 eggs a day for too long, my nutritionist told me I need to alternate with something else. That shake + veggies should do...

about my gut health,
Well it's hard to tell really. I didn't really have much gut issue so far except for the past week where I've been slightly constipated.
I take acidophilus probiotic every day before bed, and s-boulardi every other day.
Activated Charcoal before bed,
Detox 2 (Bron White) in the morning
0 sugar, 0 dairy, 0 carbs...

I don't think there's much more I can do in that department?
Posted 9/5/2018 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
Most dont change their diet till they have gut issues and or suspect "leaky gut", or have gut candida.

Before you changed to gluten/sugar/dairy free did you have gut issues?

Like others here, I can answer yes to the above question. Ive done the gut healing trials several times. Get better each time but not 100%, so then get even sticter the next time. Each time I gain basic daily energy too and require LESS sleep to achieve it. So my gut protocals are helping me.

Im starting to think that damaged gut micro-vili take a long time to heal and cant with offensive foods in your diet. Sometimes its tricky, as you cant feel all offensive foods, but some tests can still show it.

You can atleast goggle leaky gut supplimental protocals if you have not already. The green drinks are supposudly good for it, but if your diets good, you dont need those either. The fourth time around for me , now, its just diet, HCL, and a digestive enzyme. Not even a protien or green drink.
Posted 9/5/2018 5:58 PM (GMT 0)
https://www.consumerreports.org/dietary-supplements/heavy-metals-in-protein-supplements/
Posted 9/5/2018 6:30 PM (GMT 0)
Ugh... Garden of Life being in the worst spot...
Thanks for bringing that up... maybe I should go with the other one, altho nothing tells me its safer
Posted 9/5/2018 6:31 PM (GMT 0)
i use Trader Joes organic pea protein.
Posted 9/6/2018 6:14 PM (GMT 0)
I didn't read everything, just the title.

Just wanted to give a warning based on past experience. If you have constipation, a rice based powder can make constipation much worse or cause constipation if that's not normally an issue for you.
Posted 9/6/2018 6:39 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner recommends Great Lakes Gelatin powder, it's supposed to be great for collagen support. I'm about to start taking it, if it seems to help out a lot I'll let you guys know.
Posted 9/6/2018 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting products. Never heard about Great Lakes Gelatin Powder before!

I heard that Hemp Seed Protein would be one of the best vegan protein...
Posted 9/6/2018 8:17 PM (GMT 0)

Noah2112 said...
Buhner recommends Great Lakes Gelatin powder, it's supposed to be great for collagen support. I'm about to start taking it, if it seems to help out a lot I'll let you guys know.

I have that. I took it for a little while...and then stopped.

Be sure to let us know if you have any improvements.


Re: weight loss. When I lost the 14 lbs when lyme first 'hit' me.....I just started eating anything/everything that appealed to me... no restrictions.... and while I stopped losing more weight...I didn't gain any back until after I started treatment for lyme and co's.

Lost the weight in April/May, 2013.

First LLND appt end of Aug, 2014.

Started gaining weight around Dec2014/Jan2015.
Posted 9/6/2018 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Girlie,
Interesting that you mention weight gain started upon treatment.
For me, things where so close apart (infection, treatment) that it's hard to say what provoked what.
All I know is all I've lost (ughh).

Interestingly enough, my LLMD told me that I would have a really hard time to gain weight back as long as I was on antibiotics. That I should be more into "damage control" when it comes to weight and hold into gains for later, when done with abx protocol.

A bit of a leap of faith ... ;)

Post Edited (Alxander) : 9/6/2018 4:12:55 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/6/2018 9:24 PM (GMT 0)

Alxander said...
Hi Girlie,
Interesting that you mention weight gain started upon treatment.
For me, things where so close apart (infection, treatment) that it's hard to say what provoked what.
All I know if all I've lost (ughh).

Interestingly enough, my LLMD told me that I would have a really hard time to gain weight back as long as I was on antibiotics. That I shouldnt be more into "damage control" when it comes to weight and hold into gains for later, when done with abx protocol.

A bit of a leap of faith ... ;)

That’s odd - I consider weight loss as one of my symptoms and one of many that has resolved with treatment (while on abx)
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