Muscle weakness in quads

You know who is good with these questions in regards to muscle issues and these infections is astroman. May want to try and reach out to him in case he doesn't see this thread.

I also have this. That’s good advice Noah. What’s your regimen like now?

Aerose,

I had weak muscles in the same areas, too, that was noticeable many years before getting sick - even when I was young and had no legitimate reason for muscle weakness. I don't know if any one of the infections is the cause or if it is related to CIRS.

If Healing98 is right about bartonella, then maybe it is that for me. I've had bart streaks since childhood.

As a side note, I'm pretty sure that in some of the CIRS literature I've read, Shoemaker claims that CIRS and bartonella affect the same pathways. Makes me wonder if they are truly separate illnesses or one and the same. Maybe my bart symptoms are actually from CIRS and not bartonella, or maybe a lot of these "CIRS" patients really just have undiagnosed, untreated bartonella.

My Labcorp test for bartonella was negative. Didn't show up on my DNA Connexions test either. Not sure how hard it is to get a positive bartonella test.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 9/28/2018 5:56:07 PM (GMT-6)

Aerose91 said...

WalkingbyFaith said...
Aerose,

As a side note, I'm pretty sure that in some of the CIRS literature I've read, Shoemaker claims that CIRS and bartonella affect the same pathways. Makes me wonder if they are truly separate illnesses or one and the same. Maybe my bart symptoms are actually from CIRS and not bartonella, or maybe a lot of these "CIRS" patients really just have undiagnosed, untreated bartonella.

That's interesting, I've never heard that. The only infection ive tested positive for is bartonella but after 2 years of treatment i had zero improvement. CIRS is something I've long been curious about in me but every time a doc tests for it my c4a comes back normal then they drop it

My understanding is elevated c4a is from current mold exposure, not past exposure.

Aerose91 said...
Muscle weakness has been one of the only physical symptoms I've had but it's pretty severe, especially in my quads and abs. Abnormal quad weakness was actually something I had before getting sick and it was always noticable to me.
I know this is a reach but is muscle weakness, particularly in these areas specific to any infection?

Its my guess that probably any of these infections can do this. Many have tendon and joint pain too, and less range of motion from tightness.

There are many ways to address this with physical therapy. Some PTs have you do basic strength training, some do hands on muscle work, some do both (best). One important part many PT programs lack is the use of myofacial release tools like a hard foam roller to use before and after exercise. This gets blood flowing in the muscles distributing oxygen and nutrients allowing quicker recovery times.

You could also start a well rounded exercise program on your own (also with a foam roller (under $50)) if you dont seem to have any lingering injuries. Steps, bicycle, walking, lunges with weighted objects ect.

Its also important to address any muscle knots, if you dont have these, well, thats a blessing on its own.

For abbs, Ive found what works best for me is a abb gym machine- I cant stand flat floor ab crunches. I also release my abb muscles by carefully laying on a soft 4" ball, then Im not sore the day after. I would think this could be found on you-tube.

Not impossible, you just need to be more creative vs the cookie cutter PT exercises many are used to. I've been there with muscle issues probably longer that most here. I pushed my body riddled with numerous injuries and lyme to its limits in the past. **Taking small baby steps is sometimes the key**.

The personal trainers I've known are great with correct working bodies, but obviously never delt with correcting a screwed up lyme body. Same with the many PT I've worked with work. 100% of the 15 i've seen gave up on me. But I learned a little bit from all of them, and fixed my own body with my own plan a little at a time. In my case, the areas of past injuries are whats left behind, so I have to manage these, give it more time or someday get scar tissue scraped away.

Something out there works for you , but you just need to find it. The correct sequence is also important to figure out by trial and error. Which brings me back to the basics which is more important than many think it is:

If you feel that you cant move distances....... there are ways around this. Thats where identifying "ill" muscles comes in by using myofacial release tools and creative stretching, nerve glides and sustained time myofacial release. Its amazing what you can find by slowly rolling on various denser, sports balls and firmer foam rollers. Most modern PT and strength work skips this important first step since its hard to make money at- its a time vampire.

Dont forget- often , the cause of muscle issues might actually be on the opposite muscle from where you feel it. Hammies effect quads and vice versa. A nerve issue with one muscle might make its impact on another muscle that being overworked to compensate. And tight all over body fascia can impinge nerves. Its all related.

Fascia work is an important first step that takes time but fortunately takes minimal physical effort on your living room floor. Its also muscle detox, getting old tissue fluid out and in with the new better than your body can achieve on its own.

Even if you still have a tick illness, the above is still a move in a positive direction.