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1000Daisies - is licorice bad for tendons?

I'm not very helpful with adrenal issues - but have you had your cortisol tested by the 4 point saliva testing?

..and if you are really low...it might be worth considering getting a very small dose of Cortef.

I realize steroids aren't a good thing when we have lyme...but low dose (as in .5 or 1 mg) doesn't have the immune suppressing effects.


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The thing with licorice is that it should not be used alone for long periods of time - in a mix of herbs, it works well, other than potentially causing low potassium (which I address). This may be why you read that it may cause muscle and tendon issues???

(I've used licorice, combined with peppermint and white peony root as an intestinal cramp relieving formula daily for the last 7 years)

I would still encourage you to do the saliva testing, it's not vague at all. They are testing the amount of cortisol. If you are just a little low, it would still show up, as long as you do at least a 4 point saliva test. And I would encourage you to do so also because the adrenals are not something we want to mess around with. I've been trying to recover from serious adrenals issues for the last 3 years, which has really messed with trying to recover from my reinfection of Lyme and company.

That being said, Byron White formulas are generally good, although I have not researched their adrenal meds.

I do know that those with serious symptoms of these infections often find that BW formulas are pretty hard hitting - so it may be the same with the adrenal formula as well.

Maybe it's time to find a more gentle treatment path? Personally, I like NatrBio's adrenal meds, although I did have to start out on something different.

Another thing to look into would be adaptogenic herbs. I'm in love with these things! LOL! They work to normalize things, find the right balance, so there's little monitoring that needs to be done. Personally, because my adrenals were so depleted, I use ashwaganda (Gaia brand, phytocaps), but if you aren't having more serious issues with your adrenals, it could be too much as well, so I would suggest using one with the dried herb in it instead, if you choose to try ashwagandha.

If the adrenals are running a little on the high side (this is where testing really helps to understand what's going on), then Tulsi is actually the better option, as it more easily lowers cortisol, but is also an adaptogenic herb, so it will bring the adrenals back into balance.

And, as always - best of luck with this!!!

Hi 1000Daisies!-

Thank you for the update! I am also currently on A-Inflam and Adrenal/Para Supplement. The Adrenal supplement also helped me a little.

I have been on Valacyclovir (viral med) for a little over a month now. This med has also helped me for my terrible fatigue. I don't have a lot of energy, but I have been getting more days where I am able to stay awake during the day and able to accomplish small tasks around the house. I hope that the longer I am on this medication, my energy levels will continue to improve.

A couple of months ago, I watched a documentary on Netflix. It is called: Unrest. It is about people suffering from CFS. There was a little discussion about how some people were getting relief from using viral medication.

As a lot of us know, so many things can cause adrenal fatigue. Lyme, co infections, mold, yeast/fungus, parasite, and viruses just to name a few. It can be so hard to figure it out.

Have you ever tried any anti viral medication or herbs?

I hope that the adrenal supplement continues to help improve your energy levels.

Best Wishes!

1000Daisies said...

Little Bear (LB) said...

A couple of months ago, I watched a documentary on Netflix. It is called: Unrest. It is about people suffering from CFS. There was a little discussion about how some people were getting relief from using viral medication.

As a lot of us know, so many things can cause adrenal fatigue. Lyme, co infections, mold, yeast/fungus, parasite, and viruses just to name a few. It can be so hard to figure it out.

LittleBear - I made it through a good portion of Unrest late night. Ironically, or not so ironically, I feel asleep before finishing it.

I think a lot of these chronic diseases are separated into their own little worlds, and perhaps, we'd make more progress if we combined our efforts better. A lot of these chronic diseases, imho, are caused by pathogens (virus, bacteria, etc). But yet, for many of them, we are being failed by our medical community.

In the documentary, they mentioned CDC doctor saying that it didn't exist and the "outbreak" in that one area was hysteria. Gee, sound familiar in our lyme world?

I think we'd make much more progress if we looked at pathogens. It is criminal that these doctors are saying it's in these people's heads when they can't figure it out. Makes so many of us mad. Wish the doctors were more humble and simple say "I believe something is wrong with you, but sometimes we just aren't smart enough to figure it out". But instead of admitting their shortcomings, they blame the patient. This is completely unacceptable.

FWIW - I DID have a fabulous doctor say that to me about my son: "I believe something is wrong with your child, but sometimes we just aren't smart enough to figure it out". I knew then that this was the doctor who could help us, and in fact, he did save my Kid#1 (after many, many other failed doctors and specialists).

I totally agree with you saying that "a lot of these chronic diseases are caused by pathogens." I truly wish doctors would be more open minded. Several months ago, Mc Donald's was on the news for having parasites found in their salads. What do people think this does to people with a weakened immune system? Just because we don't live in a third world country doesn't mean that we are not exposed to parasites. Look at all the fruits and vegetables that are shipped here from all over the world. What about eating sushi? Do people know where the fish came from, was it tested for parasites?

Everyone can pretty much agree that Shingles (virus) is Chicken pox that gets reactivated. The hallmark symptom is the painful rash. So, who is to say that my severe fatigue isn't the reactivation of my EBV. Why is it that most people believe that only 1 virus (Shingles) can be reactivated.

I have been let down by the medical community too many times to count. If you see a doctor and start to cry because your symptoms are so scary or painful, they look at you as being weak. If you don't cry, then your pain must not be that bad.

When you are a kid and doctors don't find anything wrong, then the kid must be faking it to get out of going to school. A doctor said those words to my mom when I was young and had bad headaches daily. She would tell the doctor that the teachers were calling her to pick me up from school because the teacher could see it on my face that I was not well.

When your 20-50 years old your symptoms get blamed on stress from your college education, career, and/or having a family.

When your 50 years and older, your symptoms get blamed on "getting older ".

I totally forgot; until you mentioned it, the part in the documentary about the CDC. They are all a bunch of worthless idiots!

I am CDC positive for Lyme. I was so happy when I got diagnosed, because I thought one maybe 2 months of antibiotics (because I have had this for so many years) and I would be CURED. I was so very wrong.

Hi WalkingbyFaith!-

Thank You! It feels so good when we find something to help us.

I'm pretty sure that the adrenal/para is just for your adrenal support. I am not sure either what the "para" word is for?

The Byron White A-P is used for parasites, mold, and Candida. Here is an older thread that I posted on about my experience with A-P and Dr Klinghardt parasite protocol.
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3877447

I have read of other people here trying Dr Hulda Clark's parasite cleanse. I have never personally tried this. I have read that it contains black walnut hull, cloves, and wormwood. These herbs are supposed to be effective on killing parasites.

As much as none of us want to have parasites, I am happy to hear that you had some improvements for awhile after expelling the stuff that looked like "ropeworm".

I don't want to be disgusting, but if you expel this "ropeworm" again, I would collect it in a container and take it to a doctor. They might be able to identify what parasite it is.

I also hope that you find the right combination and dosage to get more stuff out.

Best Wishes!

1000Daisies-

I'm sorry to hear that doctors were doing the "blame game" on you as a parent. This is so wrong! You are doing your part as a loving parent and looking for answers of why your child is not feeling well.

I also wish that the chronic disease world would get together and research more about pathogens.



Thank you for sharing the amount of Adrenal/Para you are taking. I am dosing per what my LLMD and I agree on. I think that she wanted me to try 20 drops of Adrenal/Para 3 times a day. I was concerned about taking the last dose so close to bedtime. I didn't know if it would affect my sleep. So, we agreed on working my way up to 30 drops in the morning and 30 drops mid afternoon.

I truly hope that this herbal supplement continues to help with your adrenal fatigue.

Thank you for reading my first post. The sad thing is that I know that I am not the only one this has happened to. There are so many people out there still looking for answers to their symptoms.

My husband has been very kind and understanding to me through this whole mess.

I'm glad to hear your kidney pain is better.

I'm sorry to hear that kid#2 had some really bad days lately, but happy to hear he's back to "normal ".

When I was younger and in school, I also regressed more during the school year. I personally think that for me the added stress of homework, tests, and getting up and ready in the morning was what caused me to flare more. It was hard to think and concentrate in school because of my headaches. I remember always having to constantly reread chapters because it was difficult for me to retain the information.

No worries on your posting. I was able to understand just fine.

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WalkingbyFaith-

Have you had your hormones checked lately?

I also hope that your feeling better is due to real improvements.