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Posted 10/21/2018 7:12 AM (GMT 0)
I spent last week fighting a virus on top of the usual. Nausea, diarrhea, fatigue, couldn't eat, got worse all week until it broke yesterday thankfully. (Found mouse poop in the silverware drawer and was convinced I was going to die of hantavirus. Kind of funny, kind of not.)

It made me wonder, how effectively can our struggling immune systems handle other punches like that? Does it just tend to take longer? My teens both had mild stomach issues this week but nothing like I did.

Secondly, during the week, my Lyme and babesia symptoms acted up and now I'm having a strong babesia flare or herx -- vibrations, heart weirdness, dizziness, photosensitivity, mental/emotional stuff, sweats, up tonight with night panic like I used to get earlier in babesia treatment. Is all that because my immune system was occupied with something else? Or, I lost five pounds this week because I couldn't eat and I've heard weight loss can release spirochetes etc. -- would that be part of it?

Post Edited (Dahlias) : 10/21/2018 8:08:44 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/21/2018 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds like a flare to me. I have experienced the same when dealing with a cold or other respiratory virus. I think I just had a bartonella flare due to the onset of a menstrual cycle. (First menstrual period in 8 months.) At first, I thought a parasite formula was causing a herx and couldn't figure out why it was bringing out bartonella symptoms. Then I got my period, and it all made sense. Bart plus hormones equals pain and irritability/rage for me.

I definitely think it's harder for our immune systems to tackle extraneous stuff like this when it's also dealing with the host of infections we have.

I think it's a good idea to take broad based herbs/supplements regularly to help the immune system deal with it all - antibacterial, antiviral, antiparasitic, etc. Those things can be rotated, too. I do think they're helpful.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 10/21/2018 8:10:28 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/21/2018 2:11 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the response. What do you like for that? You're not talking about things to strengthen the immune system, but rather kill the little things we pick up?
Posted 10/21/2018 3:11 PM (GMT 0)
Also, yes, I know what you mean about the rage. Hormones plus these infections can be scary. Felt like I was losing it this month.
Posted 10/22/2018 1:23 PM (GMT 0)
I am feeling much better but I still have diarrhea. Supposed to start a week of abx today. Would you take them? Can't get a quick response from my llmd.
Posted 10/22/2018 5:54 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Dahlias,
Sorry to hear you've been sick with a virus. If you still have diarrhea can you push back a week on the abx and try to get past that - charcoal, probiotics etc until it passes? I agree with you that babesia may be also causing issues which could be a flare or a herx if the immune response to the virus also cause a babesia die-off. Impossible to know, right?!

DS just had his appt and we discussed what life after stopping treatment looks like and what to do if there's a flare-up. They said that not completely recovering/taking longer to recover and fighting off infections all show how strong/weak the immune system is once recovery is imminent or well underway. For example they were really pleased DS recovered from a flu virus the week before his appointment in a short amount of time but they also said because his myco test is positive again, his immune system is not completely taking care of infections.

They also said in their experience babesia is the most troublesome after treatment is completed (J clinic/DC). Basically one has to get more rest, ramp up detox and so on to re-strengthen. If that doesn't work and more symptoms crop up, it may be time to re-hit for a short time whatever is rearing its ugly head. Nobody wants to hear it may be a set back, but hopefully for you it will be under control shortly. That whole chipping away at it business that seems to go on and on at certain points in the process.

Hoping you are feeling better soon - your immune system is clearly on line and responsive!
Posted 10/22/2018 6:22 PM (GMT 0)

yancync said...


They also said in their experience babesia is the most troublesome after treatment is completed (J clinic/DC). Basically one has to get more rest, ramp up detox and so on to re-strengthen. If that doesn't work and more symptoms crop up, it may be time to re-hit for a short time whatever is rearing its ugly head. Nobody wants to hear it may be a set back, but hopefully for you it will be under control shortly. That whole chipping away at it business that seems to go on and on at certain points in the process.

Yancync - if you're back to this thread:
Do you know if Dr. j prescribes the Mepron again for a short time to knock back the Babesia? (After it rears it's head again down the road)
I have a bottle of Mepron left over...and wondering if I may end up back on it at some time....or should I be getting rid of it....lol.
Posted 10/22/2018 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
@ Girlie - definitely save it! DS did re-treat and then at last appointment they said babesia is the one that haunts so - my take is yes, keep it at least through its expiration date. Now we never used Mepron - just malarone because he is a pediatric patient but I think it can't hurt to save it because Mepron is the preferred med I believe.
Posted 10/22/2018 7:13 PM (GMT 0)

yancync said...
@ Girlie - definitely save it! DS did re-treat and then at last appointment they said babesia is the one that haunts so - my take is yes, keep it at least through its expiration date. Now we never used Mepron - just malarone because he is a pediatric patient but I think it can't hurt to save it because Mepron is the preferred med I believe.

okay - good to know...I won't get rid of it (give it away).

I wonder how they know if it's babesia again....I do have some sweats...not a lot - but I'm currently not on the mepron anymore...but I am on clindamycin...that can help with babs....

Getting ahead of myself here...lol
Posted 10/22/2018 7:14 PM (GMT 0)

Dahlias said...
I am feeling much better but I still have diarrhea. Supposed to start a week of abx today. Would you take them? Can't get a quick response from my llmd.

What did you decide....take a few more days off?
Hopefully you will hear back from the clinic be tomorrow.
Posted 10/22/2018 8:21 PM (GMT 0)
@Girlie - sweats/fever low grade but for DS mainly has been determined by his breathing issues. The elephant on the chest/tight band is babesia while shortness of breath is mycoplasma - we discussed in some detail at last appt so DS could know which was which. J clinic has always been spot on in diagnosing which infection is active with DS from our detailed symptom lists.
Posted 10/22/2018 8:24 PM (GMT 0)
@Dahlias - had a chuckle at your hantvirus remark - a few years ago there was a ton of bat poop right outside DS's bedroom on our front porch because they love to live behind our shutters - I asked for him to be tested after I met a guy who said his son in Indiana had Lyme and hanta. I had never heard of it but with all the respiratory issues DS was having I was worried. Luckily he was negative. Can't be too careful when the immune system is so compromised.
Posted 10/22/2018 8:27 PM (GMT 0)

Dahlias said...
Thanks for the response. What do you like for that? You're not talking about things to strengthen the immune system, but rather kill the little things we pick up?

I take both. I started out with Buhner's bartonella protocol plus cat's claw, Gou teng, Chinese skullcap. I'm experimenting now with more herbs for babesia and parasites.

Candicid Forte has been good for me, as well as l-lysine. I've dabbled with monolaurin, colloidal silver, and olive leaf, as well.
Posted 10/22/2018 8:41 PM (GMT 0)

yancync said...


Hoping you are feeling better soon - your immune system is clearly on line and responsive!

That's an encouraging way to look at it, thanks.

I did end up taking it this morning. I don't think it's c. diff and I figured my immune system could use the help so it can focus on the virus.
Posted 10/23/2018 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
Hi hope you feeler better from the virus and herxing today.
Take care
Posted 10/23/2018 9:28 PM (GMT 0)
How are you doing today, Dhalias?
Posted 10/23/2018 10:12 PM (GMT 0)
I thought I was over the virus but not feeling so well after teaching today. And Lyme and co are flaring -- vibrations, heart weirdness, brain fog, fatigue, light sensitivity, dizziness, anxiety, insomnia, and it feels like there's something in my throat I have to keep swallowing. Reminding me of old times, like you goshawk. Thanks for asking. How are you two doing?
Posted 10/23/2018 11:02 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry to hear Dahlias!

I woke up during the night with intermittent stabbing pains behind my right ear.
They were occurring every 20 seconds - but now a bit less frequent.

It really sucks because my back and left arm nerve pain are good today.

Seems I traded one for the other.
Posted 10/24/2018 3:00 AM (GMT 0)
Ugh. I had a headache like that only once, after taking diflucan. Strange thing. Are you finished with dapsone and daparim for this cycle?
Posted 10/24/2018 3:17 AM (GMT 0)

Dahlias said...
Ugh. I had a headache like that only once, after taking diflucan. Strange thing. Are you finished with dapsone and daparim for this cycle?


Yes - supposed to take Rifabutin , Clindamycin and minocycline for three days this week.
Haven’t started because of this stabbing pain - maybe tomorrow
Posted 10/24/2018 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
Glad you got through that week ok! Any better today?
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