Jaw Bone Pain

Hi everyone,

I recently started having jaw bone pain (well, not really recently, I had it in the past but it would go away) that is migratory, usually in my lower jaw (but also upper). I also get teeth sensitivity, painful and receding gums. This just adds to a whole bunch of problems I have regarding my head - sinuses, nose, ears (feeling like needle picking inside my ear), painful salivary glands or lymph nodes (not sure which one of these).
I went through old threads about this problem, one more scary than the other, they all mention bone loss. I am so terrified and I hate this illness. Do you think this is lyme only, or could it be bartonella too? Could mold have anything to do with this?

I have been treating with A-L Complex by Byron White for half a year now, and although I have really improved regarding certain symptoms, some things are only getting worse. I never had any problems with teeth, but now I am getting this plaque build up, so I am doing oil pulling, and I also make a thick paste from bentonite clay, put it on my teeth and gums like plaster, and leave it for 20min, it's a bit messy, but it helps me with the plaque a lot. I read in Ramiel Nagel's book that plaque occurs when body's chemistry is out of balance, which makes a lot of sense with lyme, doesn't it. I only recently just bought nir brooder lamps, but I seem unable to break a sweat from it.
As for bone in my jaw I am using essential oils, clove and BFB-2. All of this is helpful, soothing, but can not resolve the problem.

I personally think I have a really bad problem with bartonella - I tested weak positive, but my naturopath explained that it is probably not weak as the test until recently wasn't reliable at all. All throughout my life I had an extensive contact with stray cats and dogs, I certainly have bartonella from God knows when. I also have a really really bad "gastritis" that is the most painful part of my illness, I literally can not sleep from the pain I get, and it migrates to my back, my esophagus feels kind of numb etc. My naturopath is avoiding A-BART saying all the time that a-l complex fixes both babesia and bart, but I am not convinced at all, I guess the problem is how to combine a-l complex, a bab, a bart, a fgn all at the same time as the tinctures are too strong. I feel I have no guidance, I see my naturopath from time to time, but she just throws at me expensive supplements, but supplements are not going to resolve my problems.

Do you think rife machine would help with the jaw problems? My problem is I cannot find any second hand rife machines here in Europe.

Sorry for the long post, I am so worried, tired and brain fogged.

If your gums are receding you have some bone loss. I had issues for years -prior to being symptomatic with lyme disease.
I flossed twice a day...had regular dental cleanings...etc...gums would bleed.

then it all stopped...and my mouth has been stable for over 10 years now.

Are you getting regular dental hygiene done?

Hi Zimica - I am dealing with dental issues presently.

Do you have any root canals? Or challenging dental work done in the past?

You might want to visit a biological dentist who can do a cone beam panoramic scan to rule out any holes (cavitations) in your jaw. In addition, if you have a root canal many biological dentists like patients to have them removed because they are dead teeth and can be safe havens for bacteria. This might be an avenue for you to investigate.

Warmly -

Peppermint Tea

Zimica said...
Yes, my teeth have always been great, and somehow, I don't think that my gums problem is related to oral hygiene, but rather that it comes from inside.
I am so worried.

Girlie, so you do not experience any of the dental/gum/bone loss issues any more?
Did the treatment help with it or it just resolved on its own?

Mine wasn’t related to poor oral hygiene but because of the pockets that had formed - it was essential to do more frequent dental cleanings.

That’s correct - I don’t have deep pockets anymore and no bleeding - gums are a healthy pink colour (not red)
I don’t have any loose teeth - I am fortunate to have long roots.

It resolved before Lyme disease symptoms and treatment..many years before.

Peppermint Tea, I don't have any root canals fortunately, I only have a few fillings, I used to have some amalgam ones, but have removed them a couple of years ago (I remember I had a damaged amalgam filling for soo long before I went to replace it).
The thing that puzzles me is that the pain I am experiencing is migratory, for example while I was writing the first post I had significant pain in the lower jaw on the right side, now it's gone and I have headache around my temple on the left side.

Sorry Girlie, I misunderstood what you were saying, yes, Nagel suggests using oral irrigator Waterpik to wash the gums with saline solution, it should be effective in treating gum disease. My gums are not yet red or swollen, but are receding around lower teeth just a little I think and the pain of some kind and sensitivity is always there, so I expect it's just going to get worse, and there's this plaque that comes from I don't know where, despite me thoroughly brushing me teeth.

I am wondering can this be related to mold or bartonella by any chance, any thoughts appreciated.

Thank you so much! Hope your treatment gets moving!

I brush twice a day, in the morning and before bed, but then during the day I'll do oil pulling, brush with chlorella, clay or coconut oil, I experiment with different things But the bone pain is what is really worrying me, I find the plaque is just the consequence of this.

I would say a definite yes on bartonella, as it can cause bone pain pretty much anywhere.

Mold can cause MARCONS which can be nasal or dental.

A doctor well versed in the Shoemaker protocol for CIRS should be able to help you uncover mold and MARCONS issues.

Regardless of what doctors state or tests reveal (or don't reveal), trust your instincts and observation skills above those. For example, if an ERMI or HERTSMI-2 test comes back as "acceptable" according to Shoemaker, it doesn't mean it's acceptable to you. His "acceptable" numbers apply to probable safety for reentry for those who have successfully treated and are recovered. Labs are supposed to be done at strategic points prior to and after reentry. If labs show a recurrence of inflammation post reentry, then the environment is not safe and further remediation/cleaning is required.

A lot of people (doctors included) don't understand or follow that, probably because it's time consuming and expensive.

The HERTSMI-2 on my house was 10 - the maximum considered "safe," and that was prior to any remediation. My house was making me sick, but if I had blindly convinced myself it couldn't be my house because the HERTSMI-2 was 10 and had stayed and done nothing, I would be dead now, and my parents who lived there probably would be, too, and they don't have Lyme symptoms like I do.

Furthermore, according to Shoemaker, OSHA considers a Total ERMI score (Group I plus II) over 30 a cause for concern. Both my house and workplace were over 30. The OSHA guidance is for "regular people," not those with CIRS, Lyme/co, genetic susceptibility, etc. Sick people will stay reactive to much lesser levels of mold.

Sorry for the long post. I just feel that needs to be said.

Mycometrics is the lab I've used for all my ERMI tests. I've tested 5 buildings so far.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 11/11/2018 8:57:26 AM (GMT-7)

I got jaw pain from Lyme disease, and pain wherever else the bacteria were. There wasn't anything unique about the jaw pain, it was just one of many locations that the bacteria got into.

Thank you all for your kind replies.
I'll try and add in something for bartonella, I think it's definitely time to do that.

WalkingbyFaith, I am absolutely certain I have mold issues, because now when I look back at how my illness started, it was in an appartment with a big water leak stain on the wall, I had dry red eyes, sneezing, terrible headaches, brain fog, then when I got promoted at work and moved to the basement office it all got much much worse. We have moved since to a different house (at the time I had no idea mold was causing my issues), this is very I got severly ill from lyme, this house doesn't seem to have any mold, but there must be something, maybe underneath the carpets, there is something poisoning me here, I feel better when I am elsewhere.
Unfortunately, currently I don't have the money to do the testing on the house, I will only do a urine test for mycotoxins. If it comes back positive, I can assume it's from the house - I have moved from previous house over a year ago, and did extensive detoxing since, i.e. I don't have as many problems with my eyes, or sneezing at all. Probably, when we move from here, I'll have to test the next house for mold, because now I am paranoid, and I think it's difficult to find a home without some kind of mold, especially because the weather in the UK is so humid. My dream is to move to a country with an arid climate :D
Thank you so much for the details on testing, I am so interested in everything regarding mold, I just currently don't have the energy yet to start reading and understanding everything about it.

On this website, you will find a bunch more.

https://iaomt.org/for-patients/search/region/united-kingdom/

Hope this helps.

Zimica said...
Update
Today I realized there is a spot in my jaw bone that really hurts when I press on it. So there is some inflammation there.
Is there anything I can do to make it better (I don't know if there are any biological dentists in the UK, and I am also very scared at this moment to let someone mess with my bone having lyme and co).
I rub essential oils on my skin to break the biofilm. Could nir lamp be of any help?
I add clove e.o. into coconut oil for oil pulling.
I'll talk to my naturopath to maybe switch the treatment.
Any other ideas?

I can't help with locating the biological dentists in the UK...hopefully (when you're ready) you can find one.

...and maybe it is like my case - and it will resolve with lyme/coinfections treatment.

My jaw pain was the upper jaw - not sure if that is even the jaw bone....it was just above the top teeth on my left side.
Didn't know I had the pain, until I was leaning my head and resting it on my left hand and felt something...then I rubbed the area and realized it was sore.

It's gone now.