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Posted 11/26/2018 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone had great success with Dr. Zhang’s protocol? I was on it for a while, but the herxing really sidelined me, so I decided to take a break. I felt much better after I stopped (about a year or so ago), but now some pesky symptoms have returned. I’m thinking about restarting the protocol, but want to know if all of the herxing is worth the pain and money before I commit.

Thanks in advance!

Post Edited (amanda_tx1) : 11/26/2018 10:40:27 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/26/2018 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
I don’t think I know of anyone who has just done the Zhang protocol for treatment.
Maybe there are some members here that have and I’m forgetting.

Some members I know have used parts - ie the Artemisia and the Houttuynia for Babs and bart.

I’ve only taken quick looks at the protocol - wondering if it’s complete - what is there for Lyme treatment? Is it the Allicin?
Posted 11/26/2018 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
I also do Cowden, but not the full Cowden. My LLMD wants to put me on multiple, long-term antibiotics again, but I am hesitant because I’ve not been on abx for longer than three months. His other recommendation was Zhang, if I did not want to do abx. I’ve seen a lot about Buhner on here, and am curious about it, but don’t really know much.

Are the Buhner herbs kind of a DIY thing? Or do you have to get them from an LLMD? I really feel around 75-80% well, and am looking for something to ramp it up to around 90%. Kind of a clean-up, I guess.
Posted 11/26/2018 7:16 PM (GMT 0)
Another note: I’ve never been on antibiotics super long term. My LLMD suggests 6 months. I am hesitant to do this, but would you recommend it? Has anyone healed with JUST herbal treatment, or is it wise to do long term abx AND THEN do herbs?
Posted 11/26/2018 7:17 PM (GMT 0)

amanda_tx1 said...
I also do Cowden, but not the full Cowden. My LLMD wants to put me on multiple, long-term antibiotics again, but I am hesitant because I’ve not been on abx for longer than three months. His other recommendation was Zhang, if I did not want to do abx. I’ve seen a lot about Buhner on here, and am curious about it, but don’t really know much.

Are the Buhner herbs kind of a DIY thing? Or do you have to get them from an LLMD? I really feel around 75-80% well, and am looking for something to ramp it up to around 90%. Kind of a clean-up, I guess.


No you dont have to get the Buhner protocol herbs from a LLMD.
Buhner has listed several sources to purchase them online.

A few sources:

-Green dragon Botanicals
-Woodland Essence
-Sage Woman Apothecary

He has written books for each infection - good idea to buy them -
Posted 11/26/2018 7:21 PM (GMT 0)

amanda_tx1 said...
Another note: I’ve never been on antibiotics super long term. My LLMD suggests 6 months. I am hesitant to do this, but would you recommend it? Has anyone healed with JUST herbal treatment, or is it wise to do long term abx AND THEN do herbs?

We do have members who have healed on herbals - and we have members who healed with abx.

Others start with abx and when they reach a certain point - they transition to herbals.
Posted 11/26/2018 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
Zhang bart tx for a year worked after lots of abx with bvt for me ...yes herxing was funzies but the permanent nerve damage from doing nothing is not ....if you can afford it i do recommend
Posted 11/26/2018 8:06 PM (GMT 0)

bluelyme said...
Zhang bart tx for a year worked after lots of abx with bvt for me ...yes herxing was funzies but the permanent nerve damage from doing nothing is not ....if you can afford it i do recommend

What is the Zhang bart treatment (besides the Houttuynia)?
Posted 11/26/2018 8:13 PM (GMT 0)
bluelyme, would you suggest a long course of abx first and then the Zhang? Do you feel like both helped?
Posted 11/26/2018 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
I like the Zhang products, I found the artemisia, houttuynia, and allicin quite effective. Wasn't enough for me (but I was severely affected by the infections, bedridden), but they certainly improved my symptoms over time. Quite a bit of herxing but that's always been an issue for me. Currently finding antihistamines helpful for herxing, I think it is because I have MCAS/immune hypersensitivity issues to the pathogen toxins.

People do heal with herbals. Some people need more. Depending on severity of symptoms, if you aren't completely disabled from the infections I like the idea of going the herbal route for a while and seeing how you do. Can always do abx later on...

Buhner herbs are quite good as well. Just saw you are 75-80%, in that case giving the herbals a shot makes a lot of sense. Buhner has a lot of info on his website and lists the basic protocols. His books have more comprehensive information, highly recommend them. Do you know which infections you are dealing with?
Posted 11/26/2018 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, sebreg! Thanks so much for your response. As far as I know, just Lyme. I’ve tested for everything (multiple times over the years), and Lyme was the only thing that was positive. However, I know that’s rare, and doesn’t mean I don’t have Bart or Babs. I personally think I also have Bartonella, because I’ve always had Bart-like symptoms.
Posted 11/27/2018 12:49 AM (GMT 0)
like boswelia is purified frankenscense and curcumin the ingredient in tumeric ...well hh2 is houttynia stepped up a notch or 2 ....it is combined with allicin(garlic derived)(has great bbb penetration) for bart; one is 2 caps 3x a day and the other is 2 caps 3x a day, i dont remember dosing , please refer to his book" lyme disease and modern chinese medicine" ... i do remember a bottle only lasting like 15 days ...if you did not have fun on that; then the rifampin / zith combo will be really not fun .but for you girlie i bet your kidneys and stuff will love the well deserved break from antibiotics ???..i think it depends on how badly ones liver is compromised by bartonella, that is how they can detox the herx .are u on iv or inhaled or at least lipo glutithione?..i think daily that, rife and bvt and zhang is what propelled me so fast as the kitchen sink was being tossed.....

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 11/26/2018 5:55:23 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/27/2018 1:06 AM (GMT 0)
BVT? Is that Bee Venom Therapy?
Posted 11/27/2018 1:11 AM (GMT 0)
yep....here is the thread i made a while back Hoagie is having some gains even got a gym memebership
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3849732
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