Toxic (the Neil Nathan book)

I'm reading this book and keep exclaiming and wanting to have someone to talk to about it, like a book club. Anyone here interested in reading and/or discussing it?

For those of you who aren't familiar with it, the title is very descriptive: Toxic: Heal Your Body from Mold Toxicity, Lyme Disease, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, and Chronic Environmental Illness. The author is a doctor whose practice focuses on extremely sensitive individuals. I'm only on chapter 3, but I feel like I am in the middle of the most informative and helpful doctor appointment I've ever had, with a doctor who actually understands what's going on with me.

For those who have read it, does Nathan's approach mirror your own LLMD's approach to these conditions? How do they differ? What did you learn that was the most helpful? Anything you disagree with in particular?

Lapis_29 said...
Here is his mold protocol

looks similar to Shoemaker's

http://www.vitality101.com/health-a-z/mycotoxin-protocol-per-dr-neil-nathan

Lapis,

Thanks for that link. That sounds more realistic and easier to tailor than Shoemaker’s protocol.

I read it but honestly can’t remember anything! Would have to re-read it.

I'm approximately half way through this book - it's been a real eye-opener for me in terms of understanding how so many of these factors can influence one another, and how in a lot of cases your chance of recovery can be hugely impeded by a variety of environmental factors.

In my case I am exploring the idea of mold and how it is affecting me - my gut feeling right now is that it is a factor.

The house we live in (moved here in July 2018, two months before I got infected) is an old British 1930s semi-detached house in need of a lot of work. There is visible mold on a lot of window sills, the cupboard under the stairs (think Harry Potter) smells really musty, and we have two open fireplaces. The reason I am exploring this option is because I seem to feel better when I am away from home, even if I exert myself more. I am experimenting with this theory this week by going to the office for three consecutive days (rather than my usual routine of alternating between office, WFH, office, WFH) and then I will WFH on the fourth day. I'll stay at home over the weekend too and see how I feel compared to the three days in the office.

I've got a face-to-face appointment with my LLMD next week so will discuss this with him and maybe explore potential tests we can take (both on me and my home) to see if there's any scientific evidence of it being a contributing factor.

Regardless of whether it's a factor, it's reminded me that we do need to clean up the mold as a high priority DIY item.

Lapis_29 said...

eat_more_veggies said...

The house we live in (moved here in July 2018, two months before I got infected) is an old British 1930s semi-detached house in need of a lot of work. There is visible mold on a lot of window sills, the cupboard under the stairs (think Harry Potter) smells really musty, and we have two open fireplaces. The reason I am exploring this option is because I seem to feel better when I am away from home, even if I exert myself more. I am experimenting with this theory this week by going to the office for three consecutive days (rather than my usual routine of alternating between office, WFH, office, WFH) and then I will WFH on the fourth day. I'll stay at home over the weekend too and see how I feel compared to the three days in the office.

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Given that you can visibly see and smell mold then there is like a 90% chance mold is part of your problem. How big of a part no one can say. I would suggest chlorophyll caps as a non toxic mold binder, some lycopene and look at my nebulizer protocol and see if that interests you.

Is cholestryramine an option in the UK?

Thanks for the tips.

Yep, it is - my LLMD actually prescribed me some yesterday (I asked via email); should have it by the weekend.

I think alternating different ones on different days is a great idea, especially if you’re doing more than 2. I try to get 2 binder doses in each day - charcoal in between lunch and supper and citrus pectin when I wake up in the night to go to the bathroom.

Thanks both - great info as always.

Zimica - I am seeing DM at a well known clinic in Hemel. Why do you ask - are you UK based?

If you want to talk about UK options, feel free to email me:


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QUESTION for those who have the book:

Any mention of phospatidyl choline IV’s in the book?

My doctor wants me to do these, but I haven’t yet. I’m very sensitive/toxic and don’t detox well. I’m wondering if he said anything about this in relation to how they affect sensitive people.

Deep sleep,

Thank you so much for looking that up for me. I feel relieved and encouraged about trying it now. I need to get the book.

Sandyfeet, thanks for reviving this thread! I'm glad that you found Toxic interesting and perhaps useful. I hear you about tricky binder timing. My LLMD thinks that for most people glutathione doesn't do anything unless it's liposomal, so maybe try Readisorb? Dr. Rawls has said before (online, so I hope it's okay to use his name) that vegetables and dietary fiber make the best binders for everyday needs, just to ensure regular elimination. I like bentonite clay, but because different binders work for different molds, I'm not sure if it's actually the best binder for me. I know which molds are high in my house from an ERMI, but not which molds are high in my system because I have not done a Great Plains or Real Time test. Because of that, I halfheartedly take clay and chlorella, and use an N95 mask when I go into my basement, and run a serious air purifier every day in my living space. And I'm moving, the cleaning and packing for which have caused me much more exposure and a setback despite precautions.... I should be using xylitol nasal wash, diffused essential oils, infrared sauna, and other measures, too, I suppose. And making other people do the cleaning and packing. ;) (Yes, I am getting rid of anything upholstered, mattresses, many paper items, washing all fabric items carefully and packing them in plastic immediately upon drying, etc. but I'm sure I'm forgetting something....)

WBF, I'm glad the Zeobind has been helpful. I think it makes sense to rotate binders, right? Since they all have things they do best, and we're all probably processing multiple things at a time? I think your intuition about rotating binders is smart.

Zimica said...
To anyone that has read the book, does the author mention anywhere swollen lymph nodes in context of mold toxicity? Just curious.

Sandyfeet, I have been taking zeolite and chlorella for a very long time and found them to be helpful. I am taking cholestyramine now which is also helping me.

Zimica,

You got out of the mold exposure, right? Cholestyramine is not advised to be taken while still exposed.

I know this discussion is old, but I just finished the book. I’m not sure if I missed it but does Neil Nathan do things much differently from dr J to treat Lyme and coinfections? Or does he mostly focus on mold detox and supplemental therapies?