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Posted 6/15/2019 5:50 PM (GMT 0)
For anyone, if any, who has had long-term kidney issues since Lyme, I have a bit of good news.

I went to a different naturopath who has put me on a variety of different herb treatment, from lymph drainage, toxin/biofilm binder, immune booster, Argentyn 23, and, in particular, a product called Bucco from Myco Pharma.

For at least 5 years, my kidneys have been filtering low and was diagnosed with Stage 3 kidney disease. My GFR has been between 51-55 for that whole time. My creatinine has been between 1.38-1.45 for most of that time. I have had protein too high in urine.

A lady who works at the naturopath said her kidney function went from near dialysis to normal and has been taking Bucco for years. Not sure if it is just the Bucco or a combination of all the new treatment, but my GFR was up to 63 this week and creatinine was down to 1.20, with 1.27 being high normal. The higher the GFR the better. Still need it higher. The lower creatinine is, the better. Also, the protein in 24-hour urine test was 140, 10 points below high normal.

I have not seen improvement like that since starting Lyme treatment in 2013. I understand this is not a kidney disease forum, but I do believe Lyme has played a big part in kidney problems. Just wanted to pass on a positive through all this mess with Lyme and pass on information if anyone has had long-term kidney problems.

Any hope through all this is something good. Will know more when I test again next month. I'm not pushing or endorsing any product, but passing on what has taken place.
Posted 6/15/2019 6:19 PM (GMT 0)
Nice! never heard of bucco before but I will check it out.

Agrimony, red root, Rehmannia Vitalize by Planetary Herbals, Bupleurum Liver Cleanse also by Planetary Herbals, hydrangea root, and a couple other herbs have done WONDERS for my kidneys which were swollen and pain to the touch.
Posted 6/15/2019 6:34 PM (GMT 0)
running wild,

Wonderful news!!! I’m thrilled something is changing for the better for you. I’m going to pull out my last labs and compare my values to yours. My doctors tell me I drink too much water and my kidney labs are always indicative of my kidneys working excessively well. I don’t trust what they tell me.

Is this naturopath a new practitioner for you? Are they in GA?
Posted 6/15/2019 6:44 PM (GMT 0)
This is great news, running wild! You must be so happy about this.

I totally understand the worry. As you know when I was on the Persister's protocol, my GFR went down below 60 and my creatinine went up out of range every cycle.
It did come back after I was off the protocol for a week or more...but I wondered if one more 'hit' would do them in.
I got so worried...I asked my husband if he would give me one of his if I needed it. lol (not funny at the time though)


I don't know how old you are (and am not asking) - but if you even stay at 64 GfR - and you're over 40 years old...you'd probably be okay for the rest of your life.
As I've mentioned before, my elderly friend is in the high 20's/low 30's....and has been there for several years (I'm thinking + 5 years) She watches what she eats and drinks a lot of water.

Of course it's better to get it higher...and it looks like you're trending that way.

My last GfR was 78 and I'm happy with that. (It was 84 a month previous - so it does fluctuate)
Posted 6/15/2019 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
Is the Bucco a supplement that you can order online?
Posted 6/15/2019 6:50 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
running wild,

Wonderful news!!! I’m thrilled something is changing for the better for you. I’m going to pull out my last labs and compare my values to yours. My doctors tell me I drink too much water and my kidney labs are always indicative of my kidneys working excessively well. I don’t trust what they tell me.

Is this naturopath a new practitioner for you? Are they in GA?

your labs should show the range of GfR and creatinine. less than 60 GfR is considered Stage 3 kidney failure

Here's one chart:

https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/gfr
Posted 6/15/2019 7:41 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Is the Bucco a supplement that you can order online?

https://www.amazon.com/bucco-herbal-liquid-small-pharma/dp/b07hmmz6lr
Posted 6/15/2019 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Lapis - if you have a program that is working well for kidneys, that sounds like one to stick with. Glad it's going well.

Walkingby Faith - If your kidneys are working "exceptionally well," your doctor sounds very confident. That is good. 63 is considered stage 2, which is also called "mild," compared to stage 3, which is 45-59 for 3A and 30-44 for stage 3B, if I remember correctly.

The new naturopath I see is actually one I went to a few years ago. They do bioresonance testing, which involves placing electrodes on your skin for diagnosis and treatment. The electrodes are connected to a Bicom machine which checks the energy wavelengths coming from your body, and then counteracts bad frequencies by restoring the optimum balance (I copied that for easier explanation). They helped me feel better once, then after surgery a few years ago I went back and struggled with a new protocol they had me on. Decided it wouldn't hurt to go back. The lady who told me how much Bucco helped her kidneys had told me the same thing months ago, but I just wasn't in the right mind to try it. She said she has been taking it for many years and her GFR is normal, like 80s. Not sure that all can be attributed to Bucco, but I do know my numbers have not been that much better in years. I changed my diet to more kidney friendly a year ago and still did not see this kind of improvement. That was just one test, so we will see next month how things are with kidneys and all involved with Lyme.

They are located in the Roswell area. I believe you mentioned to me you are in Georgia, so if you would like more information, feel free to email me.

I was surprised how similar the results of the bioresonance tests were to my actual blood tests. It seems like electronic voodoo to me, but I purposely had blood tests done first then the bio to compare.

Girlie - I remember your kidney concerns and them going wrong way until you backed off treatment. And yes, kidney numbers fluctuate, but I have not had it ever jump that much or creatinine go down that quickly. Again, next test will tell a story. And as Lapis posted, you can buy it online. I'm not saying it will work, but hoping this is not a chance coincidence with Bucco and other herbs in treatment plan.

And let's just leave it as I am way past 40, but still don't feel it,k except for the Lyme. I have always stayed in good shape as I had kids later than many people (was 39, 41 and 42 when my kids were born). Wanted to be in good health and active for them. How ironic is that? I am a believer if you want to keep your kidneys and improve on Lyme, you make the needed changes in diet, or at least most of the time. And staying in good cardio and strength shape makes a difference. Just don't like being skinny because of fat loss.

Hope the information can help someone. We're all in this together. You are all appreciated.
Posted 6/15/2019 8:45 PM (GMT 0)
I’m might buy a bottle of Bucco - I’d like to boost my kidney health after the damage 6 rounds of Persister meds.
Might serve me well later in life, right?

I’m past 40 too. And I was also in very good shape pre-lyme.
Hubby and I have always been very active - from rollerblading...biking to the tennis courts to hit a few balls and I had been running on trails close by our house for a few years prior to getting sick. The only activity I didn’t give up due to lyme is swimming in our lake in the summers.


It’s devastating what this disease does to our body - the muscle loss on my legs is the most severe change.
I’m going to get back riding my bike this summer... I think I’m ready.
No tennis yet though - don’t want to strain my back.

Will you keep us posted with your kidney function on the Bucco?
Posted 6/15/2019 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Okay, I checked my kidney labs. It does appear my kidneys work “exceptionally well,” but that worries me. If they’ve been working overtime for years seems like they would be in danger.

Dec 18 labs:
GFR - 107
Creatinine - .62
BUN - 5 Low (6-24)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio - 8 Low (9-23)

May 18 labs:
GFR - 111
Creatinine - .55 Low (.57-1.00)
BUN - 5 Low (6-24)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio - 9
Posted 6/15/2019 9:45 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
Okay, I checked my kidney labs. It does appear my kidneys work “exceptionally well,” but that worries me. If they’ve been working overtime for years seems like they would be in danger.

Dec 18 labs:
GFR - 107
Creatinine - .62
BUN - 5 Low (6-24)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio - 8 Low (9-23)

May 18 labs:
GFR - 111
Creatinine - .55 Low (.57-1.00)
BUN - 5 Low (6-24)
BUN/Creatinine Ratio - 9

Those GFR's are great, WBF! That's where you want them to be. They're working well...not over-working.

I looked at past labs...and prior to the Persister's protocol, mine were usually between the 80's to just over 100.
Posted 6/15/2019 10:48 PM (GMT 0)
Exceptionally well is the truth. If you overworked them, they would be low, as in can't filter well. Same with creatinine, which impacts the GFR.

I believe, Girlie, yours will bounce back higher again. It sure seems the treatment is what is causing numbers to be less than before. And I understand why you are frustrated with the level of activity you used to have. The only difference between us is I don't think I've lost muscle but all sub-cutaneous fat. That makes everything look like it's gone. It creates knobby knees and elbows, skinny ankles, protruding rib look. Also, neck is skinny and all around shoulders in neck area.

I try to do all I can with pushups, curls, lat pulls, stair repeats, etc... But with loss of energy and pain in rotator cuff and low back, I have to limit a lot of exercise. Trying to adapt to this type of life, but not doing well with it.
Posted 6/15/2019 11:52 PM (GMT 0)

running wild said...
Exceptionally well is the truth. If you overworked them, they would be low, as in can't filter well. Same with creatinine, which impacts the GFR. .

Yes I agree running wild - I think if they are being taxed too much, they would be low...
Posted 6/15/2019 11:58 PM (GMT 0)

running wild said...


I believe, Girlie, yours will bounce back higher again. It sure seems the treatment is what is causing numbers to be less than before. And I understand why you are frustrated with the level of activity you used to have. The only difference between us is I don't think I've lost muscle but all sub-cutaneous fat. That makes everything look like it's gone. It creates knobby knees and elbows, skinny ankles, protruding rib look. Also, neck is skinny and all around shoulders in neck area.

I try to do all I can with pushups, curls, lat pulls, stair repeats, etc... But with loss of energy and pain in rotator cuff and low back, I have to limit a lot of exercise. Trying to adapt to this type of life, but not doing well with it.

I'm insecure about the looks....(I inherited vanity from my mother - who was a beautiful woman) - my husband has always loved my muscular legs/butt.....so I am feeling insecure...can't help it. I know it shouldn't matter as much as it does....

In fact I may post in a new thread about my insecurities....I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.
I think in some ways it'd be easier to be single...at least you don't worry about losing someone.

I do more for the lower body now...as with my upper left side issues...I'm always concerned about doing something that makes it worse...so I try to stick to the exercises the physio has suggested.
Posted 6/16/2019 12:25 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie - I've said this before a while back on this forum, but I do not think it is insecurity when you lose what you have had in your life - a way of life and how you feel about yourself. It's about loss. I've never heard anyone say "I'd like to lose the tissue under my skin and muscle." That especially goes for someone who has worked at staying in shape, for whatever reason.

There are a lot of people who will call it being vain and a lot who understand. I don't care about other's thoughts on it because it is how I feel that impacts my life and those around me. And when I say "me," I mean as in anyone who feels bad about what this sheeittee has done to their bodies, minds, life.

It is pride that pushes us to maintain our bodies and mind. I always stayed in great shape, won national age-group championships running in track and was active my whole life until this cut into that. I'm not excited to look skinny or sick. You have nothing to apologize for. It has changed your life, and it bothers you. If anyone doesn't understand that, then they are not worth worrying about.

You wrote "I know it shouldn't matter." I disagree. It does matter because it is part of who you are and what you have worked for in your life. I've also never heard anyone say "I want to look as bad as I can." There are those who have never exercised who have gotten that way from lack of taking care of themselves. You have worked not to be that way, and a tick decided to change that for you. It bothers me how I look now, so I guess I'm insecure too. It bothers me every time I sit down and feel no padding for comfort. It bothers me every time I accidentally look in the mirror and see how I've aged. It bothers me when I can't think of a word that should be simple.

That's not ego, it's frustration for loss of previous life. You are a good person. That is obvious from all you do and have done on this site. How you feel about yourself is important. It's self-image, and it effects your life. But just keep working on getting better, praying you get better and believing you will get better and have some of what is lost return.

Didn't mean to rant, but it bothers me when people judge someone as vain when it is more pride. Maybe they don't get that.
Posted 6/16/2019 1:26 AM (GMT 0)
running wild,

You are a great encourager😊!!!
Posted 6/16/2019 5:27 AM (GMT 0)
running wild - my eyes are filled with tears - thank you for your thoughtful words. How you explained it does make sense - thank you.
Posted 6/16/2019 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
This is a true support group, and so many, including both of you (Walkingby Faith and Girlie) have helped me many times. I am not real good technically, so I ask a lot here, even after researching. We all seem to have experienced something someone else can relate to and provide help with. I thank God for this site.

There are mental therapists for all kinds of diseases, but I have yet to find one for Lyme. That tells a story. So we help each other. I'm not always good at following through on my thoughts in my own life, but I try. I just know there aren't many out there who can understand what this can do to your mind, self-esteem, body, etc...

But anything I can do to try and help someone else pales in comparison to the help I have received from those on this site. And I refuse to call it "my" Lyme Disease. Once you do that, it means you are identifying your self with it. This is not me, and I won't allow Lyme to be part of my identity in my mind, even though it plays such a big role in my life.

The thanks goes to y'all (yes, I'm from the south) smile.
Posted 6/16/2019 7:11 PM (GMT 0)
After coming to this site and finding information I have found no where else, I had to join. You people show amazing compassion and knowledge. I have had Lyme Disease I believe for 35 years un-diagnosed. "In the old days" we use to consider it a right of passage to have someone pull a tick off of you after a hike. Little did we know! Heart problems, kidney problems, neurological problems that MRI's and CAT Scans have never showed anything. Invasive biopsies, you name it. Can't find any problems. Kidney GFR slowly going from 100 to 50. Enter a Naturopath only a year ago and a Lyme test. Bingo, get Antibiotic treatment, neurologic symptoms decrease, kidneys GFR goes to 80, Chest pain decreases to a managable amount. It is amazing what proper treatment will do. I wanted to add my comment in regard to long term Lyme illness. My kidneys also improved after the correct treatment, so keep believing out there. Also, thankyou to all of you who take the time to answer others questions and share your knowledge. You have no idea what a lifeline it is to others searching for answers to their symptoms.
Posted 6/16/2019 7:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for posting about your kidneys, LymeSurvivor. Any positive we can get is good. Your GFR stayed low for years then came back? The kidneys have been a stressful concern on top of Lyme stuff, so your information is appreciated.

Still trying to find an answer for other problems, but having kidneys improve over a few months of tests would be a great relief. And sorry you have dealt with it all for so long.
Posted 6/16/2019 8:16 PM (GMT 0)
That's so awesome when you suddenly fix yourself (or control something) with a supplement.

Never heard of Bucco. Ill read up on it.
Posted 6/16/2019 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
Astroman - You have been through so much and overcame so many things. Reading about your struggles and getting through a lot of them is motivational. Also, your knowledge in technical aspects is something I am weak with. When you post something, I know it has been researched, tested and proven/dis-proven.

Usually I look into ingredients of everything that is prescribed to me because naturopath and doctor did not take kidneys into consideration. But with Bucco, the lady was adamant it was what brought her kidneys back, along with changes in diet. Rather than look deep into it and risk not trying it, I just said what the hell and started using it. As mentioned before, not sure if it is Bucco or a combination of all the mixes the new naturopath plus Bucco that may be helping.

Will know more in a month when I have kidneys tested again. Not sure if you have kids, but if so, have a good Fathers Day. If not, simply have a good rest of day. My three kids are here, making it a very good day.

May your progress continues.
Posted 6/16/2019 10:22 PM (GMT 0)

LymeSurvivor said...
After coming to this site and finding information I have found no where else, I had to join. You people show amazing compassion and knowledge. I have had Lyme Disease I believe for 35 years un-diagnosed. "In the old days" we use to consider it a right of passage to have someone pull a tick off of you after a hike. Little did we know! Heart problems, kidney problems, neurological problems that MRI's and CAT Scans have never showed anything. Invasive biopsies, you name it. Can't find any problems. Kidney GFR slowly going from 100 to 50. Enter a Naturopath only a year ago and a Lyme test. Bingo, get Antibiotic treatment, neurologic symptoms decrease, kidneys GFR goes to 80, Chest pain decreases to a managable amount. It is amazing what proper treatment will do. I wanted to add my comment in regard to long term Lyme illness. My kidneys also improved after the correct treatment, so keep believing out there. Also, thankyou to all of you who take the time to answer others questions and share your knowledge. You have no idea what a lifeline it is to others searching for answers to their symptoms.

LymeSurvivor,

If you see this, welcome to the forum!! So glad you decided to join. Glad to hear that treatment, even after years of being undiagnosed, is working for you. So glad you shared some of your story with us, and thank you for the encouraging words. Hope to hear more from you in the future.
Posted 6/16/2019 10:58 PM (GMT 0)

LymeSurvivor said...
After coming to this site and finding information I have found no where else, I had to join. You people show amazing compassion and knowledge. I have had Lyme Disease I believe for 35 years un-diagnosed. "In the old days" we use to consider it a right of passage to have someone pull a tick off of you after a hike. Little did we know! Heart problems, kidney problems, neurological problems that MRI's and CAT Scans have never showed anything. Invasive biopsies, you name it. Can't find any problems. Kidney GFR slowly going from 100 to 50. Enter a Naturopath only a year ago and a Lyme test. Bingo, get Antibiotic treatment, neurologic symptoms decrease, kidneys GFR goes to 80, Chest pain decreases to a managable amount. It is amazing what proper treatment will do. I wanted to add my comment in regard to long term Lyme illness. My kidneys also improved after the correct treatment, so keep believing out there. Also, thankyou to all of you who take the time to answer others questions and share your knowledge. You have no idea what a lifeline it is to others searching for answers to their symptoms.

Welcome to our community, LymeSurvivor!

Glad you joined and hope we can collectively help you.... support you.
Are you still seeing the LLND?
Posted 6/17/2019 12:02 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie and Walkingbyfaith, thank-you for the welcome. It has been a long road as I am sure most of you can relate to. I find it very frustrating that a large number of MD's still don't believe you can have Lyme. But that is another story I am sure many of you have experienced.

Running Wild, in answer to your question of my kidneys, yes for 20 years my kidneys have slowly been getting worse. They started at pretty close to a GFR of 100 twenty years ago to a GFR or 50 one year ago. Now two blood tests a month apart came in at 75 and 80 with a normal creatinine levels. (This is after a number of rounds of Antibiotics from my LLND.) (Sorry, I don't remember what my doctor said my creatinine level was.) He advised me however I had not had a normal level in 20 years. I do try to eat better and stay away from sugar. (I still like a little honey in my green tea however). I do take probiotics. I am relativily new to all this, I just try my best to do what is recommended with my own research on the side. I hope you see continued improvement.
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