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Posted 6/18/2019 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
Hi guys, long time no post (but no news is good news!)

I have come back to ask some questions for a few friends. Due to my years and years of experience with lyme/bab/bart/rmsf I have become a local nerd for people who think they may have lyme and co.
I love being able to share my experience and help encourage others, but because I was just one sick person and I had my own sick person issues, my symptoms are/were a bit different from my friends.
Both of these women have symptoms akin to babesia, day and night sweats, nighttime being drenching!

Both women prefer natural, one is looking into an LLMD/DC at the moment but is still in the education process.
The other lady is a bit more complacent but is looking for some sort of relief.

What herbs and drug combos are popular for babesia these days?
Back when I was treating it a few years ago I used cryptolepis, graviola, houttynia, infrared sauna, and several compounded herbs and homeopathics with success. I had IV rocephin, but I believe that was for the RMSF, not so much the babesia.

For the people who have done ABX for babesia, has anyone had lasting success without using Mepron? I remember when I read horowitz's original book and did google research, Mepron was the big one (but cost prohibitive). I have a local friend who has found a great LLMD who is using ABX and naturals, and her protocol and one of her kids included Mepron (something like $2k per month!).

Ive been doing some google searching and I am going to start reading through Horowitzs two books, but unfortunately it takes me a while to really get through all of that studying to comprehend the information I am looking for.

One thing these two women are having in common, severe die off. One is on doxy from her primary (only 100mg 2x daily) and the other is doing herbals from Jernigan Nutraceuticals (i believe 6 drops of paragen 1-2x per day). They are both doing detox protocols-liposomal turmeric, liposomal glutathione, methylfolate, cold laser therapy, and activated charcoal, and magnesium malate. The one doing the Jernigan products is doing infrared sauna 3x per week and ionic foot baths. Its been a while since I have been into the detox game, I used to juice, sauna, and glutathione IV's. These two women are having a heck of a detox, esp the one on antibiotics.

For my own information, what has worked for other people for detoxing that I didnt list? Especially babesia/parasite detox and the sweating associated with it? I never had that ( my sweating always got better when I started treatment, it didnt overwhelm my system).

I know I asked a lot of questions, so thanks in advance! Ive been a bit out of the lyme loop for myself, but lately have found myself talking to about half a dozen people about the disease and its pitfalls!
Posted 6/18/2019 1:26 AM (GMT 0)
CSA - cryptolepis and sida acuta - is the standard starting protocol from what I remember. It is what I tried.
Posted 6/18/2019 2:11 AM (GMT 0)
Dry brushing and epsom salt baths are my main detox therapies that relieve die off symptoms.

Alka seltzer gold or lemon water may help. They are supposed to help alkalinize the body. I find baking soda in water helps me more, especially with headaches. Careful with the sodium, though. I don’t use it often, only on rare occasions.

Charcoal is the only binder I saw mentioned. I am being helped by Zeobind. Jernigan has two NeuroAntiTox formulas that others here have mentioned. I still haven’t tried them yet. The CNS/PNS formula is the one most talked about. Bentonite clay, chlorella are some other binders.

Herbs for babesia:
- cryptolepis
- artemisia
- Sida acuta
- Bidens pilosa
- Nauclea latifolia (newest recommendation from Buhner)
- Mimosa pudica (for parasites - may help babesia)

Buhner recommended a new herb for babesia in the last year or so. It’s called Nauclea latifolia. You can get it from Woodland Essence.
Posted 6/18/2019 2:20 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
CSA - cryptolepis and sida acuta - is the standard starting protocol from what I remember. It is what I tried.

CSA is crypto, Sida and alchornea cordifolia

But Buhner changed it to crypto, Sida and Biden’s pilosa.
Posted 6/18/2019 3:43 AM (GMT 0)
For antibiotics malarone is cheaper...still pricey to me (was about 180 a month) but cheaper than straight mepron. Malarone has mepron in it, along with somthing else. So it does attack babesia. I had some pretty bad herxes from the stuff. The doctor will probably prescribe azithromycin or somthing else to pair with the malarone.
Posted 6/18/2019 4:02 AM (GMT 0)

Wisco woman said...
For antibiotics malarone is cheaper...still pricey to me (was about 180 a month) but cheaper than straight mepron. Malarone has mepron in it, along with somthing else. So it does attack babesia. I had some pretty bad herxes from the stuff. The doctor will probably prescribe azithromycin or somthing else to pair with the malarone.

And easier to take - especially if you’re travelling!
I was always worried about the Mepron getting too warm - as there was a range it had to be in.
Posted 6/18/2019 9:22 PM (GMT 0)

Wisco woman said...
For antibiotics malarone is cheaper...still pricey to me (was about 180 a month) but cheaper than straight mepron. Malarone has mepron in it, along with somthing else. So it does attack babesia. I had some pretty bad herxes from the stuff. The doctor will probably prescribe azithromycin or somthing else to pair with the malarone.

Yea, Malarone is atovaquone/proguanil. But I thought it wasn't necessarily as effective as Mepron?

Is it common to beat babesia using herbs only or ABX and never Mepron?
I never took any ABX for babesia, but babesia wasn't the worst for me. I still do herbs for it every so often and I wonder if antibiotics instead would have killed it off altogether.
Posted 6/18/2019 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
Some people do just treat babesia with herbal methods.


There are other antimalarials besides mepron or malarone - you do need antimalarials - not just antibiotics.

Artemisinin, or Artesunate
Coartem
Alinia - may help - not sure if it's enough though

There's a few others' - mind going blank.
Posted 6/18/2019 9:42 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone been told to avoid folate/folic acid/methylfolate when treating babesia or malaria like parasites?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18297892

I found this study on malaria talking about how it feeds on folic acid. I know babesia functions similar
Posted 6/18/2019 11:36 PM (GMT 0)

ItisLyme said...
Has anyone been told to avoid folate/folic acid/methylfolate when treating babesia or malaria like parasites?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18297892

I found this study on malaria talking about how it feeds on folic acid. I know babesia functions similar

Nope haven't been told that.

From what I've read (with lyme feeding on magnesium) ...and makes sense - if indeed the babesia will feed on it .. it will deplete yours' - so all the more reason to supplement....
Posted 6/18/2019 11:39 PM (GMT 0)

ItisLyme said...
Has anyone been told to avoid folate/folic acid/methylfolate when treating babesia or malaria like parasites?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18297892

I found this study on malaria talking about how it feeds on folic acid. I know babesia functions similar

Most interesting, thank you. My kidney problem is not getting better. I take a Methyl-B complex and methylfolate, in addition to a regular B complex vitamin. Maybe I should lay off them a spell and see if things improve.
Posted 6/19/2019 1:27 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie - ah thanks for clearing that up. Guess it's good to know exactly what I was ingesting! lol
Posted 6/19/2019 2:07 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Girlie - ah thanks for clearing that up. Guess it's good to know exactly what I was ingesting! lol

what I wrote may be confusing.

CSA is still Crypto, Sida Acuta and Alchornea cordifolia. That was his earlier recommendation for Babesia.

He's now recommending Crypto, Sida acuta and bidens pilosa.
I haven't looked to see if Woodland Essence makes a CSB

I think they still sell the CSA.
Posted 6/19/2019 4:43 PM (GMT 0)

ItisLyme said...
Has anyone been told to avoid folate/folic acid/methylfolate when treating babesia or malaria like parasites?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18297892

I found this study on malaria talking about how it feeds on folic acid. I know babesia functions similar

I wanted to update my experience. To recount, I've been treating babesia for 7 weeks, with a comprehensive herb regimen, and notably, L-Arginine. Not sure about progress, but staving off the worst symptoms at least. I also have been taking a strong methyl-B complex, a dedicated methylfolate, and, liberally, a multi-B.

Last evening I stopped all the "B"s. This morning I awoke under the weather and unable to do my normal morning fast. After a couple hours up I went back to bed, and it was like a freight train hit me. Panic that I needed to find a doctor, despair that I was not winning the battle. But then I remembered that I had dropped the folates. That gave me the perspective that maybe they really were suppressing the action of the herbs. I had expected maybe a 20% effect; this was more like a 500% effect! If these were herxes I was experiencing, this was a very good thing indeed! I had hope, the anchor of the soul.

This could be herxing, it could be something else. It's too early to reach conclusions. I'm doing a lot better now. I'm glad I cut back on herb dosages last evening, just in case the folate reaction proved to be stronger than I expected. When I know more I'll post back.
Posted 6/19/2019 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
Yes I looked at my tincture and it had alchornea in it so again thanks for the correction, though I guess it has changed. I took it last in 2018 I think so it must have been recent.
Posted 6/20/2019 12:27 AM (GMT 0)
mepron is by far still the most effective med for babesia. malarone is good but the extra ingredient is there to boost its effectiveness still its not as powerful as the liquid gold.
Posted 6/20/2019 12:35 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Yes I looked at my tincture and it had alchornea in it so again thanks for the correction, though I guess it has changed. I took it last in 2018 I think so it must have been recent.

I think it was in 2015 or 2016 ?? Whenever his new book - for Babesia came out.

The bidens pilosa is what Buhner recommends.

Woodland Essence may very well still produce the CSA (with alchornea cordifolia.
Posted 6/20/2019 11:27 PM (GMT 0)
Hmm maybe it was 2016 I took it...I could've sworn it was last year. But I got it from Etsy so it could be outdated.
Posted 6/21/2019 12:29 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Hmm maybe it was 2016 I took it...I could've sworn it was last year. But I got it from Etsy so it could be outdated.

So, i checked - Woodland Essence and Sage Woman Herbs both still sell CSA. They haven't kept up with Buhner's change.

Hey - it worked before...
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