Bartonella herbal protocol

I'm currently only on Houttuynia for Bart and am almost to the bottom of my bottle. I am thinking this is the prime infection wreaking havoc on every symptom so I probably will start focusing on this one since my doc currently doesn't seem intent on treating it. Which herbs should I buy? Buhner or otherwise? Preferably Buhner but I just want what works, but also stuff that won't be too strong because I tend to react to things strongly.

edit: I know there are already a ton of posts on this but that's kind of the problem ,there are way too many things out there and I don't know which ones I should focus on or try first

Squarsh said...
I take CSA (cryptolepsis, Sida Acuta, alcornea), Houttuynia and Red root and those three got rid of A LOT of my symptoms.
I started with Red root in June, CSA in July and Houttuynia in August.
Do you have Buhners book on bartonella?

The CSA is buhners older Babesia protocol. Crypto, Sida and alchornea cordifolia

He now recommends Bidens pilosa instead of alchornea cordifolia.

Japanese knotweed is in buhners bart protocol.
I have the book - I think the bart protocol has been shared on the forum before.
I’ll see if I can find it with the search function... easier than typing out the protocol from the book.

Squarsh said...
I should say my most troubling symptom was migraines. Like meningitis type symptoms. Horrid stiff neck, ice pick in the head migraines. Triptans, ER visits, and muscle relaxers just took the edge off. The herbs finally got rid of it.

I’m guessing red root was the most helpful for this. Red root aids in lymph movement. It is a coagulant, though, so Buhner recommends red sage instead for those who can’t take red root.

I’m guessing red root was the most helpful for this. Red root aids in lymph movement. It is a coagulant, though, so Buhner recommends red sage instead for those who can’t take red root.

It’s hard to tell exactly, the red root definitely helped, but once my doctor added the CSA it really went away. I know she picked that one for me because of the overlap of helping with Babesia and Bartonella. Previously I had more Babesia/Lyme symptoms. Those are mostly resolved, This seems to be what I have left.
I just got the books the last week so I haven’t read it all yet. My doctor wanted to put me back on antibiotics but I’m not really interested in doing that again! I can only speak for myself, but I did not find that they were very helpful for me before. what’s that thing Einstein said about doing the same thing and expecting different results? ;)

Sandyfeet- i did not know you could only take alcornea for only a short time? My doctor never said anything. (Partially why I got the books, to help myself) I probably haven’t got that far into the book yet. How long can you take it for? I’ve been taking it two months I think

sandyfeet said...
Squarsh - you can take alchornea indefinitely it’s just the isatis. It’s never been clear to me if (a) Buhner omitted repeating that info in the bartonella section of the book (it’s in the mycoplasma section), (b) he felt taking a break was less important because the dose he suggested was lower than the max, or (c) he didn’t expect the bart protocol to take too long and so thought breaks weren’t necessary.

For many of the Buhner herbs I’ve sought out the maximum doses as I seem to be less sensitive to them. I also took Crypto at much higher doses for short pulses (yes I know Buhner doesn’t generally recommend pulsing, but I was taking much higher doses for 5 days then dropping down to the regular dose for babesia based on his discussion of the use of the herb for malaria in his antibiotic book. I did that until it no longer caused a herx). I have all of Buhner’s herb books and you can get a little creative with all that info

Gotcha! Thanks! I got all three books, It’s going to take me awhile to get thru them! Especially since I have to google every other word LOL when I’m done with this current CSA tincture I might try getting the individual herbs instead so I can figure out what I truly do and do not need and how much. I am also concerned about the amount Sida, I think I need much less since I’m getting A LOT of hair shedding.

I am trying to figure this out too-- the whole buhner protocol feels overwhelming- what would be the top three herbs to take? and how long wil it take to notice improvement?
hottuynia red root and sida?

I am not sure if I have active viral infections. Last I checked was years ago and I had EBV and HHV6 both pretty high if I remember correctly.

Unfortunately ginger seems to give me some sort of mast cell reaction, even if it isn't fermented.

Ashwaganda messed up my sleep for about a week and then I was okay. I have taken it morning and night for a long time now. I don’t use Buhner recommended sources for that one. I did get Paradise Herbs capsules at least twice, but capsules are expensive. I then switched to powder that I find at Homegoods real cheap. I think it’s Terrasoul brand. I have no idea of the quality or if it’s working, but I keep taking it.

That’s so disappointing JB. I hear good things about A-Bart. I plan on trying that if the full Cowden protocol doesn’t work for me.

Post Edited (HeartsinPain) : 8/29/2019 10:23:21 AM (GMT-6)

Sandy - what are your thoughts on the BW formula ingredients?

For example the A-Bart is completeky different from Buhners and what we usually think of Bart herbs -
Gou Teng
GF seed
Neem
Licorice
Garlic
Sarsaparilla
Artemisia
Poke Root
etc etc


Maybe it’s just that I’m accustomed to buhners herbs because most of the people I have known who treat herbally have used buhner’s or Cowden (which also uses some same herbs as Buhner)

sandyfeet - I don't even know if any of them are doing anything honestly, I just take them because they could be doing stuff under the surface and maybe take a long time to start having an effect. I am treating with a practitioner but do a lot of my own research and it's more like a dual effort. He is giving me a pre-mixed Lyme Buhner concoction at the moment but I'm really going to push for a Bart treatment next time I see him, I'll mention BW too.

squash - I take the sugar free kind and it's only 15 bucks for a month supply for me, it's worth a shot