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Posted 11/5/2019 9:01 AM (GMT 0)
its gonna be dr SP in wilton hes referring to....tetra and diflucan is the main part of his basic combo, he pulses it 2 wks on 2 wks off, he had bart and hes 20 minutes away from Dr AK in orange who you see...

i saw dr SP for 2 yrs...he uses tetra over mino bc although it doesnt get into brain as readily as mino, you can give it 1500mg a day without adverse effects, which is more than mino, so more gets in to brain...one of the pioneers, dr donta, retired, used tetra as well...im not sure why other doctors dont do this...how many MG of mino is prescribed a day?

dr SP is publishing a book next yr , focusing on how he feels most autoimmune diseases are actually bart and other relapsing bacteria...in it, i assume he will talk more about his story....hes working closely with DR Spector who also had bart so they understand more than most llmds....as his patient, let me just say, he took alot of abx over a yr, and it wasnt just these that did it...i seem to recall he some black box drugs etc....im not sure if he knows what drug did it, but i think these are the least scary ones in his basic tier (next he moves up to both in combo w mepron (he thinks it hits bart like organismss), then you eventually get to bactrim and rifampin/rifbautin.....

Post Edited (dbwilco) : 11/5/2019 2:12:55 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/5/2019 6:35 PM (GMT 0)
Mino is 100mg twice daily... but does that really mean anything?
At half dose it does as good or better job than doxy which is 200 mg x2 daily.

dbwilco - you said u saw dr SP for two years - why not anymore - did you switch to a different one -
or?

You think rifampin/Rifabutin are scary ?

Does he prescribe the fluoroquinolones?

He would my second choice for llmds (if he does phone consults)
I have listened to some of his discussions with his partner (can’t remember her name) - he treated her for Lyme several years back.
Posted 11/6/2019 7:10 PM (GMT 0)

dbwilco said...
its gonna be dr SP in wilton hes referring to....tetra and diflucan is the main part of his basic combo, he pulses it 2 wks on 2 wks off, he had bart and hes 20 minutes away from Dr AK in orange who you see...

i saw dr SP for 2 yrs...he uses tetra over mino bc although it doesnt get into brain as readily as mino, you can give it 1500mg a day without adverse effects, which is more than mino, so more gets in to brain...one of the pioneers, dr donta, retired, used tetra as well...im not sure why other doctors dont do this...how many MG of mino is prescribed a day?

dr SP is publishing a book next yr , focusing on how he feels most autoimmune diseases are actually bart and other relapsing bacteria...in it, i assume he will talk more about his story....hes working closely with DR Spector who also had bart so they understand more than most llmds....as his patient, let me just say, he took alot of abx over a yr, and it wasnt just these that did it...i seem to recall he some black box drugs etc....im not sure if he knows what drug did it, but i think these are the least scary ones in his basic tier (next he moves up to both in combo w mepron (he thinks it hits bart like organismss), then you eventually get to bactrim and rifampin/rifbautin.....

I was prescribed 500mg twice a day for the Tetra, the side effects are so much less with tetra/Diflucan that it’s been a godsend for someone like me who can’t tolerate Rifampin anymore. My LLMD didn’t mention 500mg 3x a day though I’m sure it’s possible.

Regarding the autoimmune theory, Minocycline, more than any other Tetracycline class drug, has been associated with autoimmune responses plus side effects related to it’s superior BBB penetration. So I guess that’s the trade off you make. It’s usually dosed at 100mg BID and sometimes TID for those who tolerate it well.

I understand why he would need to pulse the Diflucan, but couldn’t someone continue taking the Tetra during the 2 off weeks if they wanted? Perhaps it’s to prevent the autoimmune response, maybe it’s strictly to give the liver and gut time to heal. My biggest fear is losing ground on the progress made during those off weeks.

Regarding the other drugs as you move up the tier, Rifampin Bactrim and Mepron are no go for me (Rifampin, though it got me to remission last year, has put me in the ER last 2 times, Bactrim crashes my blood pressure, and Mepron gave me severe depression with one dose). Interestingly, Malarone I have zero side effects despite it being atovoquone (albeit 250 vs 750 in the Mepron dosage).

I’m open to trying levaquin if this Tetra/Diflucan protocol doesn’t eradicate my remaining Bart. My LLMD seemed to infer to me that Dr SP thought this protocol was the big winner for him curing himself.
Posted 11/6/2019 9:43 PM (GMT 0)
Solaris - have you thought about trying Rifabutin?
For me it’s been rough - but not so much lately...I’m hoping I’ve lessened the bart load and that’s why my herxes have finally calmed down.

Levaquin and Cipro seem to be the best but I would be too worried if I was on it. Not so much because of the tendon damage risk - as that can be repaired - but more concerned about the CNS/PNS damage.
Posted 11/7/2019 1:19 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Solaris - have you thought about trying Rifabutin?
For me it’s been rough - but not so much lately...I’m hoping I’ve lessened the bart load and that’s why my herxes have finally calmed down.

Levaquin and Cipro seem to be the best but I would be too worried if I was on it. Not so much because of the tendon damage risk - as that can be repaired - but more concerned about the CNS/PNS damage.

I’ve ruled out any Rif drugs forever after the experiences I’ve had over the past 6 weeks. Looking back, I don’t know how I tolerated it for 7-8 weeks straight last summer. Just wish I could have gone another month or tried something else right after and I probably wouldn’t have relapsed. My LLMD had me just switch to Bicillin and i enjoyed 6 months of symptom free bliss after that.

When you say Levaquin/cipro being the best, do you mean for treating Bartonella, or the best drugs in their class?

My mom is prescribed Levaquin quite often as she has many autoimmune issues and she has no side effects whatsoever. They’re only 10 day courses though. I wonder how long they would prescribe it for someone on Bart?

I’m familiar with PnS damage like peripheral neuropathy etc, but what kind of CNS damage has been reported with their use?
Posted 11/7/2019 4:44 AM (GMT 0)

Solaris719 said...

Girlie said...
Solaris - have you thought about trying Rifabutin?
For me it’s been rough - but not so much lately...I’m hoping I’ve lessened the bart load and that’s why my herxes have finally calmed down.

Levaquin and Cipro seem to be the best but I would be too worried if I was on it. Not so much because of the tendon damage risk - as that can be repaired - but more concerned about the CNS/PNS damage.

I’ve ruled out any Rif drugs forever after the experiences I’ve had over the past 6 weeks. Looking back, I don’t know how I tolerated it for 7-8 weeks straight last summer. Just wish I could have gone another month or tried something else right after and I probably wouldn’t have relapsed. My LLMD had me just switch to Bicillin and i enjoyed 6 months of symptom free bliss after that.

When you say Levaquin/cipro being the best, do you mean for treating Bartonella, or the best drugs in their class?

My mom is prescribed Levaquin quite often as she has many autoimmune issues and she has no side effects whatsoever. They’re only 10 day courses though. I wonder how long they would prescribe it for someone on Bart?

I’m familiar with PnS damage like peripheral neuropathy etc, but what kind of CNS damage has been reported with their use?

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I meant The fluoroquinolones are the most effective abx to treat Bartonella

I found this - hadn’t seen it before.

https://epmonthly.com/article/fda-puts-kibosh-fluoroquinolones/

“ The latest “black box” warning focuses on an array of neurological problems associated with these antibiotics.“

“But given the seriousness of the latest Black Box on the fluoroquinolones, tendon rupture appears like a hiccup in comparison. More specifically, the newest Black Box on these antibiotics came out on May 16, 2016 and focused on an array of neurologic problems. Through post-marketing surveillance it was noted that a variety of psychiatric and neurologic problems were disproportionately happening in association with fluoroquinolone use. In fact, here’s an abstract from the Emergency Medical Abstracts database that specifically addresses the issue, and was published in 2011 – fully five years before the Black Box warning was issued. Some of the key points from the paper:

The incidence of psychiatric and neurologic side effects is estimated at 1-2%. That sounds very high, however how many patients taking these medications had trouble sleeping while on them or felt a little “up tight” and never considered the drugs to be the cause? And how many patients presented to their clinicians with a variety of neurologic or psychiatric symptoms while on the drugs that were dismissed as unrelated because no one has ever heard of an antibiotic causing such problems?
about half the patients in the series had psychiatric effects and the other, neurologic symptoms.
The most common neurologic effects were seizures, confusion, headaches, dizziness tremors and myoclonus, while the most common psychiatric effects were mania, insomnia, psychosis anxiety, hallucinations paranoia, and delirium (suicide attempts have been reported at high doses).
Symptoms were noted from hours to weeks after taking the antibiotic and averaged 14 months in duration (as long as nine years has been reported).”

Note: I added the bold to the last sentence.
Posted 11/8/2019 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
Yikes, even at 1-2% incidence rate, that’s some serious stuff to think about. I believe there’s a term for people who experience the neurological side effects, “floxxed”.

I’m not sure what duration or dosage my LLMD would prescribe Levaquin or Cipro at, but my previous one said he’d give it for 2 weeks. I can’t imagine anyone giving it longer than 4 weeks given the risks.

I appear to be doing well so far on the Tetra/Diflucan protocol so we’ll see how it goes. Hopefully won’t have to go that route!
Posted 11/8/2019 1:20 AM (GMT 0)

Solaris719 said...
Yikes, even at 1-2% incidence rate, that’s some serious stuff to think about. I believe there’s a term for people who experience the neurological side effects, “floxxed”.

I’m not sure what duration or dosage my LLMD would prescribe Levaquin or Cipro at, but my previous one said he’d give it for 2 weeks. I can’t imagine anyone giving it longer than 4 weeks given the risks.

I appear to be doing well so far on the Tetra/Diflucan protocol so we’ll see how it goes. Hopefully won’t have to go that route!

Floxed is a term for any of the damage from the fluoroquinolones - whether it’s the peripheral neuropathy, the CNS damage, or the tendon ruptures

I doubt 2-4 weeks would be long enough to treat
Posted 12/16/2019 12:13 AM (GMT 0)
To update everyone:

This combo has worked as well as I could have possibly hoped for so far. After the first 2 weeks on I noticed incredible Improvements and was able to resume working a full schedule and even exercising which I haven’t been able to do for many months. The 2 weeks off my symptoms stayed in check with only some slight regression I’d say. No herxing, no side effects that I can discern.

I just finished my 2nd 2 weeks on this past Wednesday and have cycled off for 2 weeks, but I see my LLMD on Tuesday to discuss. I’ve been doing the elliptical for 15-20mins every day and some light strength training 4-5 days a week using my bow flex, weights, and pull up bar. The only symptom that hasn’t really changed much thus far is the POTS (and some fatigue that is likely POTS related). It seems to flare a bit the first few days after I cycle off the antibiotics. I tried to do some tougher interval training on the elliptical the last few days (90 seconds casual speed, 30 seconds sprinting, repeating 4-5 times) and set myself back a bit (Have experienced more fatigue Requiring naps, pots symptoms, and slight headache ) so I think so I’m going to let my body recover and go a little less aggressive With that exercise.

I’m hoping this protocol is curative as opposed to a band aid and will ask my LLMD as many questions as I can when I see him on Tuesday. I go for my bi-weekly liver function blood draw tomorrow. I want know how long the protocol goes for, if there’s anything to add to it (I’ve seen some have taken it with alinia?), and if the tetra dosage can be increased at all (it’s 500mg twice a day currently). I’m reticent to change anything just yet since it’s early and I’ve made a lot of progress, but POTS is really crappy to deal with and I want to see some progression with it.

Diflucan 150mg once a day,
tetracycline 500mg twice per day
2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
Posted 12/16/2019 1:52 AM (GMT 0)
what is the theory of adding Diflucan? how does that address Bart?
Posted 12/16/2019 3:15 AM (GMT 0)

Solaris719 said...

The protocol is Tetracycline 500mg twice a day and Diflucan 150mg once a day 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. Not sure of the duration. Assuming it’s until symptoms are gone.

I haven't heard of Tetra treating Bart, but I've noted it down... But I know Dr. Gasser rotated between Roxithromycin/Bactrim and Diflicuan. It was helping a lot of chronic lyme patients I hear reach remission in Europe years ago, that's well, until Babesai became more abundant a decade later.

There used to be an article online from a blog that asked questions why Gasser rotated between the two, if my memory serves me right, Dr. Gasser said Diflucan were very beneficial for chronic lyme because it didn't harm any of the good bacteria in the microbiome. Seems as though Gasser had figured that an imbalanced microbiome played a role with autoimmunity and raising the immune system, as they always say 70% of your immune system is in your gut. In a way, I'm sure all three antibiotics Dapsone, Disulfiram, and Diflucan are great because they don't harm the microbiome. I wouldn't be surprised if all three D's are persister cell killers, we know Dapsone and Disulfiram are...

I know Dr. H in New York is having success using pyrazinamide and then he seems to follow up with disulfiram, after listening to this lyme patients experience using the two drugs.
https://youtu.be/bzu0weofvm8?t=5980

Here's a lyme patient with her Bartonella story.

said...


I apologize for not being regular with my posts. Started Disulfiram in June when this group just started. I first experienced neuropathy from treating Lyme with Rifampin July through October 2018.

I have had Lyme since being bitten by thirty to forty nymphs ( literally had at least a hundred or more on me in 2007. Two weeks antibiotics right away. Major psych issues in 2007-2008 . Psych hospital in Jan. 2008Was bitten by a single tick in 2009 and my symptoms went off the chart. Six weeks of antibiotics then with steroids. Reactivated Epstein Barr Virus reared it’s head in 2010-2017 maybe 18.

I’ve been on antibiotics several times a year since 2010.

I have had every symptom imaginable except visual hallucinations.

In 2016 after a wreck , death and assault, my lyme anxiety went from manageable anxiety to (feeling like) my children were being burned alive and I couldn’t get to them. That’s when I reached absolute hell .

In November of 2016 I started aggressively treating Lyme and have been on some form of Antibiotics or Herbs since.

November 2016 I started with P73 Oil of oregano and cyst busters and probiotics . First loss of any Lyme and coinfections symptoms was with Oil of oregano, but i kept hitting hell herxes and then took a few weeks off then switched to antibiotics three months , two weeks off , then herbals.

My routine has basically been that . Herbals three months, break two weeks then antibiotics three months. Break two weeks and also every Saturday and Sunday off as well .

I don’t really have much memory from October 2016 or any of the year 2017.

But I’ll look at the antibiotics I took in 2017.

Anytime I’ve treated effectively there has always been a sense of neuropathy during a herx , but only during the herx and then gone.

Fast forward to Rifampin in July 2018 - October 2018 by November 2018 I had full blown neuropathy from head to toe. But my anxiety went from (feeling like) my kids were being burned alive and not being able to get to them, to feeling like my kids are in a house on fire , but the fire department is bringing them out.

After Rifampin , I did more herbals through December.

January 2019 I did the high dose Dapsone/ Pyrazinamide combination till maybe First of May. This dropped my anxiety to about (feeling like) getting pulled over for speeding .

The anxiety I mentioned after the wreck, up to this point, was 24/7 and I was only able to sleep, at most, two hours at a time.

By the end of using Dapsone and Pyrazinamide, they gave me back my ability to sleep and almost normal anxiety. And the first little sign of my neuropathy improving.

😊

June 2019 I started Disulfiram and this is how I did:

First two or three days I took 500mg called dr ,because I was on fire with it and then dropped down to 250mg for about a month hit bad herx took a week break, because of Holiday ( vacation) in July and started back on 125 mg till August hit bad herx, took a week off in August due to another vacation. Started back and stayed at 125mg till I believe October when I posted about putting the Disulfiram in the enteric capsules .

I did Disulfiram in enteric capsules at to high a dose and broke it down to 62.5 for two or three weeks and hit hell sometime in November and then stopped altogether.

Almost all my symptoms are gone, my anxiety/ptsd is manageable now. Most my lyme and coinfections symptoms are gone or turned down to a whisper,except neuropathy that comes and goes.

100mgs gaba pentin helps me , or 25 mg Benadryl, or 50mgs of hydroxizine . Two to four times a day seems to help, I don’t take all three. Or cannibis. CBD oils helped very little.

At one point after I first got neuropathy in 2018 for at least six months I could take all three above with cannibis and it still not put the fire out. That was the worst experience of my life ( Rifampin)

Now I can take anyone of those four and I’m good . Some days I don’t need anything.

I have switched to a garlic oil tablet 500 mg twice a day .

Still on 1400mg of Milk Thistle twice a day and other detox’s and supplements.

It’s been a little more than one week since I stopped Disulfiram and all last week I was out and about or home cleaning . The neuropathy still gets to me but I haven’t had a truly good week where my head was this clear, hardly any joint pain since 2007.

Hope this wasn’t to long. And I hope this means remission.

I have been,practically , on every antibiotic for Lyme except maybe two at some time or other and every herbal protocol and I still think Disulfiram and the prior Dapsone/Pyrazinamide helped me most.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/15/2019 8:21:37 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/16/2019 3:26 AM (GMT 0)
After reading more about the success with Disulfiram, Dapsone, Pyrazinamide, and Diflucan for Bartonella. I'm starting to think the old bartonella drugs are just basically a big waste of time when trying to reach remission. I think they'll get you to lets say 60-70% with Bartonella and good enough to hold this coinfection back, but I suspect one of these persister cell drugs will have to be used to reach remission because a big factor may be healing the microbiome.

I suspect what happens is, after you get off these antibiotics, it's a race with your immune system and coinfections to beat each other to the punch when repopulating your body. I think coinfections are winning everytime because we're damaging our immune system by eradicating our microbiome with the antibiotics versus the persister cell drugs that we SHOULD be using.

Cancer is the same way... And each time we keep partially eradicate babesia and bartonella, we're just making these coinfections much more stronger when their persister cells repopulate. I suspect targetting the persister cells and healing the microbiome is key! Maybe Dr. Gasser knew that even back then...

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/15/2019 8:29:33 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/16/2019 9:06 PM (GMT 0)
Dr. P just said Tetra's are easier on the microbiome, I could see why this protocol would work for Bartonella. Both Tetra and Diflucan are both easy on the microbiome.
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4172017

And Dr. P also said micafungin(another antifungal like Diflucan) may work on Bartonella because it worked against Wegener's. Maybe that's a hint that antifungals do work against Bartonella.
Posted 12/17/2019 3:02 AM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...
what is the theory of adding Diflucan? how does that address Bart?

There is some in vitro Scientific evidence plus expert opinions (like Dr SP who uses this combo as his base, and my LLMD Dr AK who copied it from SP) that Diflucan, being an “azole” drug, has an effect on Bart, especially when combined with a Tetracycline.

I’ve seen some theories that it may disrupt Bart’s ability to reproduce in the endothelial cells it likes to hide out in. It’s a cytochrome p450 inhibitor, which also is why it can be very tough on your liver.

Since many docs also believe there is an autoimmune component to these diseases, Diflucan doesn’t harm the microbiome and Tetracycline doesn’t seem to irritate the gut like Mino and Doxy do. Combined with the pulsing, it may allow you to rebuild your immune system and heal your gut while still treating for Bart.

Also, speaking for myself at least, diflucan and tetra have minimal side effects compared to most of the traditional front-line Bart drugs (Rifampin, Bactrim, Levaquin, Mino/Doxy, Zith). Rifampin is the 1st drug of choice because it’s one of the only ones that is bactericidal vs bacteriostatic, and it helped me the first time around (Tolerated it for 8 weeks) but it put me in the hospital the last 2 times I tried it.

For those who have been struggling with Bart for a while, this protocol is something you may want to consider.
Posted 12/17/2019 3:07 AM (GMT 0)
Solaris - Rifabutin is also bactericidal - right?
Having taken both - Rifabutin is stronger than Rifampin.

If Rifampin was hard on you - Rifabutin wouid probably be worse.
Posted 12/21/2019 9:55 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Solaris - Rifabutin is also bactericidal - right?
Having taken both - Rifabutin is stronger than Rifampin.

If Rifampin was hard on you - Rifabutin wouid probably be worse.

Yes it is bactericidal.

My LLMD says that the protocol goes for 6 months but that I can lengthen out the time when pulsing off the combo from 2 weeks to 3 or 4 as long as the symptoms aren’t creeping back. If they do creep back he said you can go as aggressive as 2 weeks on, 1 week off. He said he’s done this protocol with 10 patients and half of them were cured by it. He also said POTS is likely to improve with time as the damage to the nerves heals so that I shouldn’t use pots symptoms as an indicator for the protocol effectiveness - I should use the other symptoms. The diflucan/azole class of drugs appears to have an effect on some aspect of Bart whether it be persisters, cysts, or the Bart itself for many people.
Posted 12/21/2019 10:13 PM (GMT 0)
Just curious, is this Dr K? I think he’s very sharp

Also did you test positive for Bart, or more of a clinical diagnosis? Wanted to ask him about Bart myself.
Posted 12/22/2019 6:12 PM (GMT 0)

dcd2103 said...
Just curious, is this Dr K? I think he’s very sharp

Also did you test positive for Bart, or more of a clinical diagnosis? Wanted to ask him about Bart myself.

Yes, it’s Dr K. I love that man. He’s not a pill dispenser, is up to date on the latest research, is extremely caring and kind, and seems to have a lot of success stories.

I’ve tested positive for Bart all 3 times this year that I’ve used Igenix and the last time (October) I actually got IGG besides the IGM. I have to go to my old LLMD’s office to get it done since Dr. K just uses MDL labs. Igenix is the only lab (aside from maybe galaxy?) that tests for multiple species of Bart. There’s a lot of cross-reactivity amongst the different species so I’ve gotten a positive for different ones each time but all that matters is it is serologically detecting Bart.
Posted 12/24/2019 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
My LLMD also prescribed tetracycline and diflucan (fluconazole) on two week pulses. I also have Lyme and Bartonella.

Unfortunately I haven't able to start though, as I can't seem to find tetracycline where I live!
Posted 1/17/2020 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
Update:

After feeling amazing the first 2 cycles on, during my 2nd 2 week break I noticed some symptoms creeping back in around day 9-10 and resumed the 2 weeks on. I once again felt great until about the 10th day on and began noticing some symptoms creeping back even while taking the protocol.
I cycled off after the 2 weeks, and talked to my LLMD who changed the protocol to tetra 3x/day with Diflucan 1x day and wants me to do it one week on, 1 week off.

I started this after about 3 days off abx because I’m pressed for time with my wife being 34 weeks pregnant. No real trouble with tetra at 3x/day vs 2 (it’s just more difficult to plan meals/eating as you should take the tetra an hour before or 2 hours after eating). I’m now 3 days into the week off, feeling tired as the main symptom and with my mood slightly down (the PoTS as I’ve mentioned in other posts has remained the same throughout).

I’m fighting with myself to not resume the tetra early and then resume Diflucan on Monday as scheduled. It’s frustrating to have symptoms after feeling so good. I’m
Hoping that it’s just Bart that’s being disturbed by the Diflucan and that I’ll be able to work through it but I must admit I’m starting to get down on myself and panic - my wife is 34 weeks pregnant and I really don’t have any other abx options to try aside from levaquin/cipro which I don’t really want to do.

Should I take the Tetra early or wait for the full week before resuming? My previous 2 cycles off I went at least 10 days before getting hit by symptoms, this time it’s 2-3 days, wondering if it’s Bart that needs to be hit with abx.

I had Igenix and MdL blood draws yesterday to see if any changes since my last draws at the beginning of October (mdl was completely clean for Lyme, Babs, and Bart while the Igenix picked up Bart igM and igG).
Posted 10/26/2021 10:44 PM (GMT 0)
I've been following your thread Solaris719. I hope you're doing well and curious if doctor S.P. advises you well.

Regarding your symptoms - if they return within 2-3 days, it usually indicates Bartonella (or rather BLO - Bartonella Like Organism) being the problem. Borrelia usually takes a bit longer than that.

Curious if you had any issues with arrhytmias after Diflucan. It's known to cause those due to QT time prolongation which might turn to Torsade de Pointes (could be deadly).
Posted 9/13/2022 5:14 AM (GMT 0)
Solaris719 are you still doing well with lyme and bart?
I was thinking of trying the protocol.
Thank you
Posted 9/14/2022 7:15 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone else tried this? I would love to hear experiences.
Posted 9/14/2022 8:07 PM (GMT 0)

RainyCloud said...
Has anyone else tried this? I would love to hear experiences.

You could email Solaris.
Posted 9/14/2022 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you Girlie, didn't notice that Solaris had his or her email listed.
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