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Posted 11/23/2019 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
Biofilm was talked about extensively some years ago and has faded out of conversation. What’s the current thought among the leading researchers, doctors?

I am wondering if INTESTINAL biofilm is an issue for me, as I suspect. Nystatin was helping a lot, and then all of a sudden, it wasn’t and symptoms came rushing back.

What is effective in breaking down intestinal biofilm? I have abundance of ropeworm and have wondered if biofilm is a part of that as well.

I have been on dozens of herbal tinctures and a few powders (most at tiny doses) for over 2 years now. Have also done rounds of supplements containing herbal formulas and rounds of olive leaf capsules. If all this hasn’t broken down biofilms and hasn’t prevented Candida resistance to antifungals, what will?
Posted 11/23/2019 4:09 PM (GMT 0)
I get the feeling biofilm is still considered a primary reason abx aren't as effective as they are with other diseases, and often why so many relapse after stopping treatment. Interested in other's responses though.

Are you sure that ropeworm is a real thing? I remember reading somewhere that it could actually be pieces of the person's intestinal lining that they are seeing...
Posted 11/23/2019 4:16 PM (GMT 0)
I found that valproate and disulfiram were quite effective at getting rid of intestinal parasites.
Posted 11/23/2019 4:48 PM (GMT 0)

potsnpans said...

Are you sure that ropeworm is a real thing? I remember reading somewhere that it could actually be pieces of the person's intestinal lining that they are seeing...

Yes, it is absolutely a real thing. Nothing imaginary about rope like masses coming out of your intestines. As far as whether ropeworm is an actual worm, meaning a helminth, there’s no definitive answer that I am aware of. People call it ropeworm because that’s what it looks like and there’s no other term for it, except possibly mucoid plaque. I don’t like that term, as I don’t think it is accurate.

What I can tell you is it has an effect on symptoms and it responds to herbs that are antifungal and antiparasitic as well as to Mimosa pudica. That indicates something. I have been seeing them since I developed sudden onset of IBS-C four years ago before I knew I had Lyme. Ropeworm is not something that should be ignored, IMO. Unfortunately, I won’t get much help until more research is done on it.

I would not doubt that some intestinal lining DNA could be identified in it. There were times when I passed large amounts of it, and for days to weeks prior, it felt like something was being ripped off the walls of my intestines. The feeling was so intense, I feared I would end up with bad leaky gut or even blood in my stool. Thankfully, that didn’t seem to happen.

Question is, WHY? Clearly the stuff is not normal.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 11/23/2019 9:52:25 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/23/2019 4:58 PM (GMT 0)

Quin said...
I found that valproate and disulfiram were quite effective at getting rid of intestinal parasites.

I don’t think I will be trying DSF anytime soon. From the way I responded to Nystatin, I clearly have an intestinal yeast/fungal problem. OAT test confirmed that, and MycoTox test was very high.

Even if I didn’t have a yeast issue, I have never felt Lyme was my problem. I thought all along mold and bartonella were my primary issues. Of course, I could be wrong. Lyme could be the underlying reason those two are problems. Plus mold and bartonella symptoms overlap to such a degree that it’s hard to tell them apart. Candida/yeast is also extremely similar, I am finding, especially with joint and body pain and FOOT pain. Who knew?
Posted 11/23/2019 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
That sounds absolutely horrifying, but also fascinating. Whatever ropeworm technically is probably did not belong inside you, you know? Good riddance. But yikes!

I don't read much about biofilms these days, but many things create them, including the good bacteria in our intestines. Dr. Rawls warns that biofilm busters can do more harm than good because it can take good bacteria
long time to form their biofilms again in our intestines. There are biofilms of scary stuff in our shower heads, but our shower water is still safe to drink. It's just what bacteria do, so I'm not sure why Lyme and co-infections are considered especially nefarious in their biofilm-forming ways. Looking forward to learning more if anyone has any insight.
Posted 11/23/2019 5:12 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for explaining, WBF
Posted 11/23/2019 5:28 PM (GMT 0)
disulfiram is a strong antifungal
Posted 11/23/2019 11:44 PM (GMT 0)
I may be out of date here, but I thought whole leaf stevia was effective in breaking down biofilms. Should we be taking it?
Posted 11/24/2019 12:12 AM (GMT 0)

Northocean said...
I may be out of date here, but I thought whole leaf stevia was effective in breaking down biofilms. Should we be taking it?

Some llmd’s still use it for biofilms.

Don’t you want to bust them open so you can kill what’s inside?
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