Lyme not 'exactly' caused by Borrelia?

Hi Mark,

I see what you're saying. I'm going to PM you!
Thanks a bunch again! 😊

Georgia Hunter said...
If I write a book explaining what chronic Lyme is, would you all buy it and read it?

I would. I’d love to know.

Girlie said...

astroman said...
Im not totally discredeting Whals. Its just that even one antibiotic makes it a little more than diet alone.

I’d go as far to say a lot more than diet alone.

I would agree with this but to use an analogy, you can't hit a baseball if you don't have a bat. Proper nutrition acts like the bat and Borrelia can keep us from having a bat.

The Dude Abides said...

Georgia Hunter said...
If I write a book explaining what chronic Lyme is, would you all buy it and read it?

Given my attention issues, I doubt I'd be able to read it. (I do well with audio books, though.) But, I would buy it anyway, just to support your effort to help others.

It's something I've been contemplating but it would take forever to write. I have 95 references for polyamines alone so there would literally be a thousand references. Add in that only a few would understand a lot of it makes it a tough write.

The Dude Abides said...

Georgia Hunter said...
It's something I've been contemplating but it would take forever to write. I have 95 references for polyamines alone so there would literally be a thousand references. Add in that only a few would understand a lot of it makes it a tough write.

I see the dilemma... You could always skip the references and make it an animated book with pop-ups!

Seriously, though, I understand that writing a book is no small undertaking. Even if you spent all your time writing, it would still be a huge mental, physical, and emotional investment. However, considering you have a family, a couple of businesses to operate, and probably other things to consider, that's a lot to juggle.

Is there any middle ground for a book? That is, rather than writing it on your level, maybe you could simplify it and write it to the level of your intended audience? Unless, of course, you intended the book for other healthcare experts. Otherwise, for Lyme patients (and, their friends and family), simpler is better.

Rather than writing and releasing a completed book, another option might be to buy a domain and establish your own blog. You could blog-as-you-go, writing the book one post at a time. Once you get to your final blog post, simply publish the posts as a complete book. You can even self-publish and release on Amazon.

Those are a few things to consider.

I've considered a book with just my opinion and not with references, but it is then only my opinion. I can tell you what that is worth, doodly squat. Physician's and academia need to be able to see that my opinion is based on facts. It's actually quite eye opening and logical but it covers so much that few people can understand all the terminology. Heck, I even have to relook up stuff I've seen and said. There is no direct evidence showing what I believe, only thousands of references directly correlating to my opinion. If it were only a couple references, I think the doubters would be justified in questioning my opinion but there is just too much out there putting two and two together. I think it would take a couple of years to complete and with me running a really big business, time is not on my side.

Buhner doesn't know that mino is the main player in solving chronic lyme, chronic viral infections, chronic bacterial and fungal infections neither.
None of his books mention that.

On the contrary, he said that, fine, you MAY try antibiotics for lyme, but short term.
But when you see this simplistic approach does not work, move to upper gear, drop the single bullet limited approach of one-sided drugs and try something more sophisticated, like a combo of potent herbs.

He keeps writing that, in all his books. I'm reading the book on virus, the same story.
Like lyme, it's getting more and more difficult to treat viral infections.
More resistant to treatment, drugs do not work either.
Same story as lyme.
Just in the viral version.

And that patient of the video that does deep jaw surgery without any antibiotics, how would you explain that employing no antibiotics even after surgeries such as that is the STANDARD procedure at Paracelsus?

Or my own 7 cavitation surgeries after teeth extraction with severe jawbone infection without antibiotics and I'm still alive?
Yes, I did some of these surgeries still DURING ACTIVE lyme disease without any drugs whatsoever.

I even did not do that at Paracelsus, but at a private office somewhere else in Switzerland.
No drug, no antibiotic, jawbone fully infected under all 7 dead teeth.

You guys seem to live in the world of the past: the world which still believes antibiotics and vaccines would save humanity from infectious diseases.

In fact, what happened is the opposite.
Today, more and more people are suffering from chronic infections.

Acute infections transformed into chronic infections, simply.

Chronic means - persistent, long term, resistant, difficult to get rid of.
That's the world we are in.
That's why Buhner wrote all these books on infectious disease treatments!

And it's not only lyme. It's strep, staph, EBV, HHV6, mycoplasma, fungi, parasites etc
Lyme is just ONE type of chronic infections people are fighting.

If drugs were working, Buhner didn't have to spend the last 2 decades reading thousands of papers trying to find solutions to solve infections.
And forums like this one wouldn't exist even, right?

Post Edited (Shasta) : 11/24/2019 5:11:48 PM (GMT-7)

Joval, lyme is certainly not only 'lyme'.

As for the autoimmune theory, I sincerely think this is like throwing the guilt to the patient - autoimmune became the answer to all questions doctors cannot answer. My opinion.

Dr Klinghardt usually said, long ago, that the body does not attack itself - why would it choose to attack just one part and not the whole body?
The body is attacking infections, chronic infections, by raising inflammation.

The problem is that the immune system is not working well, and pathogens are intelligent to hide, and toxins damage our cells, detox pathways, etc and as Buhner says, pathogens are so intelligent they cause chronic inflammation so that they create food for themselves.
Another problem is lack of good tests to find these pathogens.

And nope, it's not only lyme pathogens, but a multitude of pathogens.
Not only Borrelia causes chronic infections to rise, but EBV, HHV6, HIV and it seems, retroviruses too.
Probably even other pathogens do that: mold, fungi/ candida, parasites.
Maybe they simply work in synergy.

But I never bought the story of the body attacking itself.
Just because through ART we can find MANY more pathogens than through blood exams, and you'll be surprised to see the amount of pathogens we can harbor in one single spot of the body such as joints, liver, gut, brain, spleen, teeth...
they are there, in less 'concentration' than when they are super active.
I never bought the story of autoimmunity. I find this is more like an excuse for letting patients on their own, without treatment.

It's just my opinion.

Congrats for those reaching 1 year remission without use of antimicrobials!
It took me time to reach 1 year remission.
With the years, the interval to relapse got longer and longer.
Now it's been more than 5 years for sure, no more lyme relapse.
So far, I mean.

And despite multiple tick bites every single year.
that really makes me think lyme is not only caused by bacteria.
Otherwise, I would still fall ill at every re-infection, which doesn't happen.
I've seen so many people with attached ticks, but rarely they fall sick with lyme.
that exactly corroborates dr Rau's experience with his patients.

If lyme was ONLY caused by Borrelia, I would be still super sick, as I'm still in the middle of red flag endemic area for a multitude of tick born diseases. And so would my daughter, who caught lyme when she started walking.

But now ticks do nothing to her either.
I particularly avoid antibiotics because I live in endemic area and have contact with ticks regularly, so I need my gut flora in good shape, and I need a functioning immune system.
Depending on the cocktail of pathogens we get, new pathogens, nasty cocktails, I can't simply shoot antibiotics in the dark at every new tick bite, but have to rely on the immune system.

It's been 10.5 years lyme free, so my strategy is working for everyone at home...
I do think dr Rau is right: he does not only treat with herbs, but has a MULTITUDE of treatments for lyme. It's really very comprehensive.

Georgia Hunter said...
Dr Rau is correct.

Thoughts on the following?

Fiber and the Microbiome (Jump to 56:40)
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/brian-sanders-food-lies/peak-human/e/57716394

Antioxidants
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201712/the-antioxidant-myth

To JovaLyme,
It took daughter and I many years, unfortunately.
We got help from dr Klinghardt's practitioners, who work very similar to dr Rau, basically with natural and supportive therapies.

- Diet - non allergenic, tested individually (but Dr Rau is right: avoid eggs, dairy, nuts, gluten... and you'll be avoiding already 80% of what most people react), strictly followed (no added sugar, with a lot of fruits and veggies)

- Buhner's herbs in combo, and in varying amounts, never fixed protocols ,but rotating herbs.

- Of course, I added many Chinese herbs, some Ayurvedic herbs. At that time, Buhner hadn't written the other books except for healing lyme. Many of the herbs Buhner mentioned later (such as isatis, houttunyia as anti viral etc) I had used based on Chinese TCM.

- took off 13 amalgams I had since childhood (about 7 years old, I think....).

- did dr K chelation therapies, with chlorella, bear garlic, cilantro, phosphilipid extract, etc
I never stopped using binders during the whole 4 years. Not a single day of rest...

- cavitation surgeries (I did 2 during lyme, and 5 after lyme went dormant). Yes, pretty tough. No antibiotic at all.
I only took homeopathy and nosodes, made with the frequency copied from my own crushed teeth (that were infected).

- I used microcurrent in the beginning (KMT24 from dr Klinghardt). It did help me stabilize. A sort of device with many rife frequencies, but in microcurrent format. I kept it during the night, many hours, and rotated the programs (viral, bacterial, fungal etc).

- electrosmog avoidance, as much as I could

- neural therapy for old scars (from surgeries) and to cancel spots of severe infections. This is a German therapy, also used in Paracelsus.

- homeopathy: many antimicrobials of the Sanum company (Dr Rau is a big fan, that's why many of his patients need no antibiotic, I believe), classical homeopathy and other types of homepathy for symptoms (organ support, lymph drainage, etc). Some homeopathic products are very sophisticated that they even aim to correct the krebs cycle, for example.
It was the most comprehensive treatment I did, I think. Homeopathy was responsible for about 60% of my healing, I think.

- I used plenty of homeopathic nosodes, to deal not only with lyme, but with other infections (strep, staph....). I literally have a box with hundreds of nosodes that I kept testing, and using, when necessary.

- acupressure, MFT /EFT , as part of the psychokinesiology of dr K.- to help spread the herbs / supplements to my organs, and to treat trauma from disease and other traumas.

- with these treatments + herbs in rotation, we could reach remission many times. But we kept relapsing. Reaching 4 months, was the maximum we could go. We either got bitten again, or fell ill again without bites.

- my worst infection, was babesiosis, that I took twice from 2 different bites. The worst infection for me...

- what closed our lyme history was photon therapy, that I did using Borrelia nosodes and infrared, copying what dr Woitzel used against lyme. That treatment marked the end of relapses for us back in 2009.

- In 2010, I think my daughter relapsed with knee pain (she had been to wheel chair twice, had suffered severe encephalitis, FSME, literal hell during lyme, plus severe arthritis that put her to wheel chair), but it lasted 1 day: I soon treated her with photon therapy and the pain disappeared that same day.

- In 2011, I think I relapsed too, 1 day, with knee pain, if my memory is good. I also treated immediately with photon and nosodes, and the pain disappeared again.

So since then, there maybe one more relapse for each of us, but we sincerely don't even remember (as it lasted only 1 day).

I forgot to say we used energy testing (ART) for everything: for finding frequencies of treatment, which pathogen is active and where exactly, then measuring the amount of herbs for each active pathogen, how they combine (or not), how much to cook each herb, when to take these, when to stop and change herbs / homeopathy, diet, tapping points for opening blockades, measuring the amount of homeopathics we took, etc.

In a normal day, I would do 40 different 'treatments' (including microfrequencies, tapping for specific reasons, homeopathy, herbs, supplements, binders, teas)...

In my worst months with lyme, I was doing 60 treatments a day, one every 10 minutes or so, from morning to the moment I went to bed, and then I would still plug myself into electrodes to sleep with them...

This was because things like chlorella + bear garlic, I needed 5-6x a day, and other herbal supplements, I also needed 2-4 times a day... Note that I consider chlorella as one supplement, not 5, meaning, that all these 60 treatments meant about 150 + treatments done in a day.

I know this sounds crazy, but that is how much I did.
When I finally visited my lyme doctor last time, he told me: 'I'm amazed to see how fast you healed!'

I wanted to punch his face. You mean, 'Fast????!?!?'
He explained me I was his worst patient. But that I healed faster than most of his patients.

Well, I guess not many people would do 150 'treatments' in one day.......

Which book are you reading? Biological medicine?

Post Edited (Shasta) : 11/27/2019 12:43:24 PM (GMT-7)

I forgot to say, I also did fasting, a bit by intuition, when none of my treatments were working.
I was not hungry anyway, so I started skipping a meal, then another, then I was a whole day without eating.
Next day, I felt a bit better, so I continued skipping a meal after another, until I made 2 days.
By day 3, I felt so good I decided to go jogging. Bad idea, because I crashed. Of course.
It was stupid for me to confound the good energetic feeling with calories: I had none available.
Then I decided to study about fasting and realized, we can't do great physical activities during fasting.

But I swear that ALL MY SYMPTOMS from lyme disappeared after these 10 days of fasting.
I started eating one pear a day since the crash, otherwise, I wouldn't be able to stand up.
So day 3-10, I consumed one pear a day.
I felt cured, sincerely, again, felt like I reached remission.
But the moment I started eating, some symptoms returned.
But never so strong like before.
Brain fog totally disappeared!!! Of course, it came back after, but it was a wonderful time to spend about 9 days without brain fog, without fatigue, pain etc.

I wish you good luck on fasting!!! I would add one fruit though.
Later I did raw eating, and I swear that it's got the same benefits of fasting, but even better, because you can do it for much longer. Effect-wise, raw eating is the same as fasting, I find.

MFT/ EFT and EMDR were all tested energetically for me... I think they did help, slowly but surely.

When I first started with MFT (another type of school than EFT, but similar), I did not really believe it.
As it's easy to do at home, I can say, it does help, but you got to do for some time, and chase the hidden problems one after another, to see REAL improvements...
One problem comes packed with others (abuse starts maybe even before the act you remember, maybe the topic belongs to your parents, or other relatives...). You gotta treat all of them to feel a relief, I find...
It's a bit like treating layers of the SAME problem...

But I've been using MFT for more than a decade, also for OTHER reasons than psycho treatment - simply to make herbs and supplements reach the areas of my body that are sick...

The reason is that most of what we take (abx, or herbs) never reach the sick areas due to blockages.
MFT opens blockages, and we can actually test that energetically and check whether supplements / drugs / herbs are reaching the targeted areas (brain, ears, liver, gut, joints, etc).

Only after experience, trial and error, you'll actually believe this works.

That's THE main reason some areas with symptoms look like never getting better: they never get the medicines that are supposed to reach them (only in little amounts, due to blockages).

How do these blockages happen, I have just a suspicion....
Acupuncture is supposed to make the energy flow in the meridians better, right?
The flow of energy is blocked, they believe.

Well, the physical body seems to be also blocked through these meridians...
That's why unblocking meridians cures the physical body (theoretically, in TCM).

that's a reason I think tapping specific points to help organs heal helps so much: simply because macrophages, blood, lymph, herbs, energies flow better to these diseased organs?
Just my thoughts....

Once the body collapses totally with lyme, the things we don't have to do to come back to life....
This type of approach: "try one thing at a time" would have NEVER helped me, I believe.
I was way too bad to do the single "trial and error" and "wait and see".

I think I was fortunate to find this ART system to test, so that I could build a whole treatment plan and change it every week, almost, tuning to my needs.
It was not easy, but it paid back.

Going raw or fasting is like a big short cut, I also believe.
I wish you good luck! Let us know how it goes!