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Posted 12/27/2019 6:39 PM (GMT 0)
Anyone else experience this? I started Flucazonle yesterday and had a headache, stiff neck, then again today. Also more dizzy. Is this indicative of Candida?
Posted 12/27/2019 11:15 PM (GMT 0)
Probably. I didn’t have any noticeable reactions to Fluconazole but I did to Nystatin.

My doc said the Fluconazole works systemically but Nystatin only kills mold in the GI tract.

I believe astroman had die off with Fluconazole. He had bad Candida.
Posted 12/28/2019 1:22 AM (GMT 0)
WBF - what you put in your response is why I asked. I didn't have any reaction to Fluconazole a few years ago, so I wondered if it might be something else. But I did test positive for Candida about a month or two ago, and the nasty yellow comes off my tongue when I scrape it.

Might be easier if I spin a disease game wheel and just pick the one it lands on to treat.
Posted 12/28/2019 3:43 AM (GMT 0)
running wild,

If you had a positive Candida test and yellow tongue and had a response to Fluconazole, that sounds pretty strongly like a Candida problem.

I get tested periodically and have not had a positive antibody test to Candida. I have very high mycotoxins (mold). I asked the doctor last week if she prescribed the antifungals because she thought I had Candida overgrowth or if she thought I had mold in my gut. She said mold. Mold and yeast are very similar and can similar symptoms.

I am finding mold has been the likely cause of much of my joint, muscle, and foot pain, cognitive dysfunction, chemical sensitivities, and gut issues. Apparently, mold is in my gut not just my environment. Makes sense, as I have had the feeling for a long time that I had a toxin producing factory in my gut. My mold problem seems to be as much if not more internal as it is external.

Hope you get a handle on the Candida/yeast and start feeling better soon.
Posted 12/29/2019 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
Your mold situation has been a tough one for you. Hoping you can get it under better control as it has been happening a while.

I've started a low dose of Flucazonle to be safe. It does seem to be causing herx-type problems - mainly headache. Didn't take it yesterday and no stomach problems or headache. What all are you doing for mold?
Posted 1/2/2020 6:51 PM (GMT 0)
Good thread--agree with all of the statements.

Headache is likely caused by the acetaldehyde created from yeast/fungal die off. I would also get a really good binder going to help flush your GI tract. A bile sequestrant like cholestyramine was very helpful for me + for mold, others had good success with apple pectin powder. Being regular is a must.

Die off symptoms can be even worse than the symptoms from overgrowth but they're a good sign the antifungal is working!

-p
Posted 1/3/2020 12:47 PM (GMT 0)
Just to echo what others have said - I too had bad headaches for the first 3-4 days of Fluconazole, and later Itraconazole. I took them to treat Candida overgrowth and systemic colonised mold.
Posted 1/3/2020 6:08 PM (GMT 0)
WBF - I am hoping to have another Candida test soon, along with a list of many tests I am going to ask my doctor to consider. Do mold problems stay in your body even a year after you have eliminated the possible exposure? Looking back, I worked in an office under a college football stadium for four years until last December. No windows and probable leaking down there.

Pirouette - I have citrus pectin for part of detox, activated charcoal and lemon water. Because of kidney issues, I have been told not to use cholestyramine, which I could use. And I am hoping you are right about the anti-fungal causing die-off symptoms. That is why I'm going to get Candida tested again, along with mold.

EM veggies - did your treatment rid you of Candida and mold?
Posted 1/8/2020 2:43 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry I took so long to answer your question.

According to Dr. Shoemaker, mold toxins will continue to recirculate in the body via the hepatic loop with the bile (think I said that right??). Particularly if you have one of the HLA-DR susceptible genetic haplotypes. He uses Cholestyramine, a bile sequestrant, to bind the toxins released in the bile. This treatment follows removal from exposure.

Other doctors (like Brewer) believe mold colonizes in the sinuses and/or gut during mold exposure (I believe with immune susceptible people). This creates an internal mold infection that persists after exposure is removed. These doctors use Rx antifungals to treat the internal mold. I am not aware of any scientific validation of this theory other than what is published on Aspergillosis of the lungs.

Shoemaker blasted Brewer and Mayo for treating mold in the sinuses with antifungals, which he claims caused antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria to form (MARCONS).

Knowing all that makes me nervous about taking Rx antifungals, for fear they will cause worse dysbiosis in the microbiome in the long run. That said, they do seem to help my symptoms.

I have not kept a clean diet, though, and that worries me, too. I was eating sweets the week before and after Christmas. My gut started hurting again and I have a coated tongue. I got back on track somewhat in the last week and feel better. I need to do a lot better with diet. It’s just so hard with the living situation. Diet’s hard for me, anyway. I don’t know how all these people do it.
Posted 1/8/2020 2:52 PM (GMT 0)
The Great Plains or Realtime Labs mycotoxin tests would be good to get. If it comes back positive, then do the ERMI on your environment to determine ongoing exposure.

There are a lot of questions regarding the mycotoxin tests and how to interpret them. I have done 3 mycotoxin tests and 6 ERMI tests and have found the mycotoxin results to reflect exposure to the molds found on the ERMI. I personally don’t believe food is the cause of positive mycotoxin tests, though some believe they are.

I think people want to believe it’s from food because it’s a lot easier to avoid certain foods than to find another house or job that doesn’t have a mold problem or have mold remediation done on the current environment.
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