COVID-19

I'd really like to see the US shut down for two weeks. For one it would slow spread and would allow is to identify trouble/hot spots. Maybe slow it enough so we don't overwhelm our hospitals.

I got into it with the president of my daughter's college yesterday. Their spring break is this week and classes resume next week. Other area colleges are goong to online classes for a few weeks but not hers. It's the perfect recipe for disaster and spread. Students travel all over for spring break, bring it back to school, an outbreak occurs and then all the sick students go home and spread it to their communities. I tried to explain this to the college president but he wasn't listening. I ended the conversation by telling him that he is going to have to live with this decision for the rest of his life so he should really think it through. That rattled him but not enough to do anything. about three hours later the college sent a message to all students of they are feeling ill not to return to school from spring break. I'm hoping that as Monday approaches someone will put the safety of the students first and extend spring break or go to online classes lime so ma u other universities have.

Deep_sleep said...
Just found out that my oldest sister in Stockholm have all the symptoms for Corona now As they only test the sickest they wont test for it. But she takes the subway everyday and Stockholm is where we have the most cases.
She has some underlying health problems also

That's ridiculous....they won't even test her? and she has the symptoms?

I just heard Trump speak - stopping all flights from Europe to the US.

Did he already suspend flights from China?

We’re (Canada) not doing that yet.
I guess that would be considered rude...

So they are saying people who are elderly and those with "compromised" immune systems are most at risk. What does that mean? This has never been made clear to me. Do we, as TBD patients have compromised immune systems? If you are in remission, does that mean your immune system is still compromised? What is a good test to measure your immune function and deem whether it is compromised or not?

People with pre-existing lung issues - ie asthma, copd.....
are more at risk.

xpeetzax said...
So they are saying people who are elderly and those with "compromised" immune systems are most at risk. What does that mean? This has never been made clear to me. Do we, as TBD patients have compromised immune systems? If you are in remission, does that mean your immune system is still compromised? What is a good test to measure your immune function and deem whether it is compromised or not?

I described earlier in this post or the other corona virus post that is back a few pages. If your white cell count is low your are immune compromised and that means your cd57 is prob low and some of the many limohocites. I tested everything, few here have done that. Desipt being in the top 5% of physical cond for 50 -55 I am unfortunately also immune compromised even after Lyme is in remission. It seems to permanently wreck immune cells similar but diff than aids.

Cd57 is just a fast glimpse at certain immune cell levels. It does not say you have Lyme or not but does measure certain immune cell volumes or levels- which is different than strength. Ex: A strong beer and weak beer that are the same volume have different alcohol strengths. Same with immune but strength cannot he measured. Everyone gets wbc count done and possibly lymphocytes if their dr has a brain. Any of these being low is a tip of the iceberg of the immune cell class levels underneath.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/12/2020 6:06:09 PM (GMT-6)

Deep_sleep said...
Just found out that my oldest sister in Stockholm have all the symptoms for Corona now As they only test the sickest they wont test for it. But she takes the subway everyday and Stockholm is where we have the most cases.
She has some underlying health problems also

Deep sleep - how is your sister doing?

Deep_sleep said...
Just found out that my oldest sister in Stockholm have all the symptoms for Corona now As they only test the sickest they wont test for it. But she takes the subway everyday and Stockholm is where we have the most cases.
She has some underlying health problems also

I'm sorry to hear about your sister. I pray for a speedy recovery.

I have read several reports globally of people being refused testing because their symptoms aren't severe enough. This tells me that the 3.5% fatality rate is garbage. I'm betting many many more people have been infected with it and get over it. I know my view is unpopular with many, but I think the media is blowing this thing way out of proportion.

Stay positive everyone and don't panic.

I just read this report..

Somebody said...
The World Health Organization estimates that worldwide, annual influenza epidemics result in about 3-5 million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths.

That's a 10% fatality rate. So this begs the question, how sick do you have to be to actually get tested for COVID-19 in some of these places?

Somebody said...
In the U.S., officials have identified 1,215 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, in 42 states, especially in Washington state and California, as well as the District of Columbia to a lesser degree. According to the latest available CDC estimates, 36 people have died from the virus in the U.S. But, public health experts say the only reason why those numbers have not exploded is that the nation has far too few diagnostic test kits. Lagging inventory has slowed testing. That means people simply don’t have them where and when they need them.

Post Edited (Hoagie) : 3/12/2020 10:37:51 PM (GMT-6)

I've also heard .1% fatality rate from flu, and now looking more like .6% from covid-19. It's still very much a guesstimate on the part of the experts though.. and if the health system gets overwhelmed that will change numbers for the worse

potsnpans said...
I've also heard .1% fatality rate from flu, and now looking more like .6% from covid-19. It's still very much a guesstimate on the part of the experts though.. and if the health system gets overwhelmed that will change numbers for the worse

the problem is not (only) the fatality rate, but the fact that 10-15% of people require intensive care. No matter how good your healtcare system is, unless you take serious containment measures, tragedy will shortly follow. like is the case in north Italy (with a very advanced healthcare system) now
https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/italian-actor-luca-franzese-pleads-for-help-in-video-showing-dead-sister/

“ For reasons that aren’t entirely clear, some people—especially the elderly and sick—may have dysfunctional immune systems that fail to keep the response to particular pathogens in check. This could cause an uncontrolled immune response, triggering an overproduction of immune cells and their signaling molecules and leading to a cytokine storm often associated with a flood of immune cells into the lung. “That’s when you end up with a lot of these really severe inflammatory disease conditions like pneumonia, shortness of breath, inflammation of the airway, and so forth,” says Rasmussen.

Local inflammation can turn into widespread inflammation of the lungs, which then has ripple effects across all organs of the body. This could also happen if the virus replicates faster than the immune system can respond, so that it then has to play catch-up to contain the pathogen—a situation that could also cause the immune defense to spiral out of control. “With mice, we know that in some cases, particularly for SARS and MERS coronaviruses, virus replication is very rapid and in some cases overwhelming” to the immune system, says Perlman. ”

Immune support vs immune modulators

Ive read that immune modulators might be best for people with autoimmune, since part of our immune is already over reactive. Modulators should help in controlling the cytokine storm in the lungs.

This one comes up, but its sold out in many online places:

Host Defense "MyCommunity®" Capsules

"A blend of 17 potent mushroom species
The most comprehensive immune support formula in the Host Defense line*
Encourages resistance to cellular assaults*
Unique combination of mushroom mycelium and fruitbodies, providing a diverse range of constituents to help balance the immune system*"

If you get it - over the counter mucus suppressants apparently make the lung issues a little easier.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/14/2020 12:11:12 PM (GMT-6)