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Posted 4/13/2020 10:24 AM (GMT 0)
Hi everyone. I hope you all are staying safe and healthy. I've discontinued my antibiotics for Lyme and Bartonella because they were just too hard on my stomach and I couldn't take the pain anymore, so now I'm going the herbal route.

My Lyme dr. suggested the pills from Green Dragon Botanicals, but I prefer tinctures so I tried to put together a protocol from the tinctures at Woodland essence (before they got overwhelmed lol)

I have a LOT of neuro symptoms btw, so here is what I'm taking so far:

Japanese Knotweed
Chinese Cat's Claw
Chinese Skullcap
Sida Acuta
Red Root
Ashwaganda

Is there anything that you think I need to add? I have houttuynia but herxed badly from it. I also have severe concentration issues. Writing this took so much effort that I feel like I just ran a marathon.
Thanks in advance.
Posted 4/13/2020 11:38 AM (GMT 0)
Sandyfeet...thanks for your suggestions! I was going to order the Cat's Claw but I will add the milk thistle and hawthorne for sure. I've read Buhners book, but sometimes with the lyme brain, it's kinda hard to decipher what you need. I'm a little nervous about the rhodiola because I have a lot of anxiety.

Alas, detoxing is my problem. I start the day off with lemon water and try to have herbal teas, but I'm finding it hard to add in binders with all the other meds and I'm slacking on the foot baths as well. The sauna for now is out of the question, so I'm feeling particularly crummy at the moment. Do you have any other suggestions?
Posted 4/13/2020 1:30 PM (GMT 0)
I had improvements in symptoms for 2 months that I attributed to taking TUDCA Plus. It seemed to help me feel less toxic. After 2 months, those toxic symptoms started coming back, but 2 months is the longest good streak I’ve had in 4 years.

Make sure you’re not being exposed to mold. If you have Candida, mold, or other fungal issues and are hypersensitive to their toxic byproducts, they can make you feel pretty horrible and cause a lot of inflammation, joint and muscle pain, cognitive dysfunction, and emotional lability. They require their own treatment. For mold, avoidance is #1.

As for houtty, how much were you taking? Can you tolerate a couple of drops? Houtty, I believe, helped the most with my bart treatment.
Posted 4/13/2020 1:31 PM (GMT 0)
For binders, I like to take them mid-afternoon between lunch and supper a couple hours away from my herbs/supplements and again when I first wake up early in the morning to use the bathroom.
Posted 4/13/2020 2:34 PM (GMT 0)
I would recommend starting with what you suggested in your initial post, at very low doses, increasing very slowly. I am very wary to doing too much too soon, just based on my own levels of sensitivity.

Binders are a good idea as long as you keep having at least one full bowel movement per day. Make sure your diet is veggie-heavy and as unprocessed as possible. Plenty of water. Whichever vitamins, minerals, and other supplements (omega 3s, CBD, probiotics, etc.) you find helpful and supportive. All that good stuff.

For what it's worth, rhodiola made me feel intensely irritable for the one day I took it, at a one-drop dose. One drop of holy basil made me stay awake for two days straight. One drop of eleuthero made me sleep for 24 hours straight. My point here is that adaptogens can be intense and unpredictable! Those hers all have the opposite effects on lots of people. For me, ashwagandha is the sweet spot, and if one of the only herbs in the world that I tolerate at a full dose! But your mileage my vary, so start "low and slow."

And good luck! I hope the herbal approach is easier on your body and helps get you back to a good place. I also really like the rawlsmd.com website for advice from and integrative and pro-herbal perspective.
Posted 4/15/2020 9:29 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Sandyfeet, Walkingbyfaith, and Saraeli.

Walkingbyfaith...mold was a huge issue, (dreaded gene and sick for years) but I left my house more than a year ago and had my new apartment checked. I took two drops of the houttuynia and felt like I was developing MS; the next day my arms were so tingly and heavy. I might introduce a drop again and see if it comes back.

Saraeli...I will check out the Rawls website. I don’t think I can touch another antibiotic, so learning about herbs is important to me. It’s just not as easy to learn as it used to be...so frustrating!!

The Sida Acuta and Red Root seem to be the ones that will take me the longest to get to the minimum therapeutic dose.
Posted 4/18/2020 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
For detoxing I recommend baths, on bad herxing days I'll take a 4 hr bath and it takes the edge off. I use 1/2 cup salt and warm but not super hot water.
Posted 4/19/2020 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
Has anybody found relief from the chest vibrations, heart palpitations, nervousness, trembling. It’s been going on for 2 weeks straight. I don’t know how long I can feel like this. I’ve been diagnosed with Bartonella and RMSF. I seem over sensitive to everything. Eating, showering, my treatment, lying down feels worse. I’ve been taking NAC and Scullcap and it seemed to help but after a week it’s back as bad so I don’t if I've developed a tolerance or I just got sensitive to that too.
Any body else go thru similar symptoms?
Posted 4/19/2020 6:14 PM (GMT 0)
“ chest vibrations, heart palpitations, nervousness, trembling. It’s been going on for 2 weeks straight. “

I had the vibrations in my upper body - that was early on.

What are you taking to treat the Bartonella?
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