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Posted 6/29/2017 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
Just discovered this stuff recently and it's been amazing for pain. I'm still learning about it (I'm brewing some kratom tea right now). I know it can become addictive and withdrawals are possible after large doses for a long time. I've been taking small doses and try to take a few days off a week.

I'm just wondering if anyone else uses it and if they experience any side effects. I always make sure I hydrate when I take it. I sometimes get nausea which is why I am trying the tea now. The other morning I woke up after taking it and felt like I had a bad hangover. Bad fatigue, headache, nauseous, brain fog. It improved as the day went on but I've had a lingering headache for almost 2 days. I haven't taken kratom since this experience. I'm not sure if it was from the kratom or just a lyme flare.

Does anyone experience this or have any suggestions for kratom headaches/hangovers?
Posted 6/29/2017 8:18 PM (GMT 0)
I think ChickenArise uses it - msybe keep this bumped up until he comes on again.
Posted 6/30/2017 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hi there,

Yes I use Kratom. Early on I had trouble with coffee being a potentiator. If I take too much or combine with too much coffee I risk getting tremors which are difficult to overcome.

As my tolerance builds the tremors are less prominent, but tolerance can skyrocket on this.

The best way I have found to deal with this is to increase .2 grams as needed. The largest dose I have used is 14 grams which is considered very high.

Some say you can switch strains and use the same or less. Sometimes. I find it difficult to make up any amount on a dose that falls short. It seems it requires a much greater amount to make up anything, therefore I try to hit the dose.

I sometimes switch to narcotics for 5 days in an attempt to reduce tolerance. This works but its a risky move unless you know yourself well enough to know you will not stay on narcotics nor combine Kratom with narcotics. Once you cross over you should remain there for 5 days. When I cross back I can reduce the dose by several grams.

The goal is not to get readdicted to narcotics. I cant imagine a Kratom withdrawal being as harsh as a narcotic withdrawal.

I dont know if I ever experienced a Kratom hangover. Days off is a good thing if you can do it.

I prefer the fast strains in the day and the slow strains at night.
Posted 7/1/2017 3:11 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks! Have you ever gotten brain fog from it? I always wake up the next day with brain fog. I never got this from lyme.
Posted 7/1/2017 10:27 AM (GMT 0)
I have use Kratom off and on. I never had a problem with opiates but I don't think I have ever take any.

But I have to use quite a lot of kratom to have any effect. I use the red strain for pain. Since it's so awful to take, I only used it when the pain was off the charts. I'm not sure why my body required way more than others to have a reduction in pain. Even though I used the red strain, I could never sleep after taking it, no matter what time of day. After about 1 year it stopped working on reducing my pain. I didn't want to increase my dosage so I have put it on hold.

My state has medical marijuan so that's what I use now.

I don't think my brain fog is related to kratom or marijuana since I have it on days where I haven't taken anything. Marijuana does make me feel a bit "hungover" the next day so I only use it when I have too.

I wish more people could find out about Kratom. It's such a wonderful plant that provides so many good things for you and doesn't hurt your liver.
Posted 7/1/2017 6:23 PM (GMT 0)
I have not had brain fog from Kratom. I used to have major brain fog from mold and yeast.

I am not sure either why it also takes me so much Kratom. A high dose is considered 7-8 grams. 8g was a normal dose when coming off of opiates.

Currently after a 5 day opiod reset I was able to use 10.5 grams effectively.

I prefer Green Maeng Da in the daytime. I prefer Red Borneo or Green Riyu at night.
Posted 10/30/2018 4:20 PM (GMT 0)
There are issues I have discovered with frequent Kratom use some of which I was blaming on Lyme/Morgellons. I will not make them public as I do not want to provide fuel to authorities that wish to ban this useful substance but if you use and would like to know what you should look out for feel free to contact me via email in my profile.
Posted 11/2/2018 7:27 PM (GMT 0)

RainyCloud said...
Would Kratom help with fatigue and concentration?

Yes. Green Maeng Da Kratom works for pain and fatigue. I dont believe concentration would be affected positively or negatively.

Red Borneo works better at night as it is more sedating.
Posted 6/14/2020 2:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, Evan. Do you have Lyme disease? Just so you know, this message is posted in the Lyme forum. There is a migraine forum on Healing Well also, where you also could ask about kratom. Plenty of people have both migraines and Lyme (me!) so I'm just curious where you're coming from.
Posted 6/14/2020 7:43 PM (GMT 0)
Green Maenga Da Kratom is best for any pain. The only problem with it is that it is difficult to sleep on, so it shouldnt be taken at night 5 hours before bed. At night the more sedating strains like Red Borneo and Red Bali can be used and you would still get some pain relief.

I hope everyone at my HealingWell family has been doing well. I hope to do an update post soon.
Posted 6/17/2020 11:40 PM (GMT 0)
I have loose kratom powder which I thought was for anxiety. It didnt work for that but now that I know that it helps pain I'll try again.

I've lost directions and will use gelatin capsules.

Does anyone know hiw many size 00 capsules to take?
Posted 6/18/2020 3:46 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Korissa,

Each 00 capsule is a 1/2 gram

Everyone is a bit different but a common low dosage is 3-4 grams
A medium dose is in the 5-6 gram range
A high dosage is 7-10 grams

If you have to go higher than 10 grams Kratom is not a good fit, youre using it wrong, or it is best to consider tapering down slowly over time.

Best to start in the low range and increase every 30 minutes by a capsule or two until you hit the sweet spot of a dose that works for you.

For those that choose to remain on Kratom a redose as needed should be about every 3-4 hours.

Only use sedating strains (Red Borneo) before bedtime as stimulating strains may disrupt sleep. Or simply schedule your last dose to wear off by bed time.

Tolerance can build quickly for daily users so if you dont need it daily, use it seldomly and it will remain effective.

Dehydration is a common side effect as well as constipation. Stay hydrated and learn to build magnesium tolerance to avert these.

I was able to come off of 25 years of daily Xanax use for anxiety with Kratom alone.
Posted 6/18/2020 7:41 PM (GMT 0)
I have red vein kratom. Is that the same as red borneo?

Your info for dosing is so helpful.Many thanks!
Posted 6/18/2020 9:40 PM (GMT 0)
Most reds arent too stimulating except maybe Red Maeng Da. Since youre not sure which red you have youll just have to gague if you can sleep on it or not.
Posted 6/18/2020 10:43 PM (GMT 0)
I use it as well - for about two years now. As needed. Malay something? My sister gets it for me. I find it works pretty well for taking the edge off, but not as good as Ibuprofen when I'm really hurting.
Posted 5/26/2021 3:47 AM (GMT 0)
The brain fog and all the lyme flairs from kratom are caused by mycotoxins...I've been searching high quality companies and the bottom line is that mycotoxins form on the dried leaf...there's really no way around it. Same with coffee...there's going to be mycotoxins in there. I'm about to try fresh leaf for the first time in a few days for this very reason. Kratom really helped at first and then I noticed as my lyme treatment went on and I kept taking kratom (exposing myself to toxic mold in various ways, not just from the kratom) that the kratom hurt more than it helped BUT...you know...the detox, so I will be even less functional if I stop. If anyone has found a work around other than fresh leaf please let me know...but, if you're getting kratom from an awesome vendor that tests for heavy metals and pathogens but are still getting these lyme flairs (CIRS flairs from chronic lyme/mycotoxicity of dried kratom leaves) I'm pretty sure its the mycotoxins unfortunately. Fresh leaf may be free of these. There is a USA company that sells fresh leaf. google "fresh leaf kratom in USA" and you will find the company. If it works out I will post here.
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