Those of you who can go out...

I am more than happy to wear a mask and it is required in my state.Lets just remember you are basically wearing it to protect others. Yes you do protect yourself to some extent as well. It makes me furious to see people who are being so inconsiderate of others!

I think there is still so much unknown about this virus...How long do you have immunity once you get it? They have no idea...in addition what started out as primarily lung disease has become a vascular disease as well...increased clotting leading to all different manifestations..The reality is that it’s very contagious...if you are unfortunate enough to observe someone with it then you realize what a threat it is...

For the economy to run people must be alive. No people, no economy.

I didn't see the date on that. Here is a more recent one.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/18/880583357/california-gov-newsom-makes-face-masks-mandatory-amid-rising-coronavirus-cases

Notice we are hearing a lot about rising Covid cases (perhaps from increased testing) but not too much about deaths or hospitalizations. From what I hear, deaths and hospitalizations continue to go down.

My problem with the masks also is that there doesn't seem to be any proof or indications that they hinder the spread of the virus.

Here's another recent one.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2020/06/19/phoenix-require-mask-other-face-covering-starting-saturday/3219102001/

Proof in my workplace, as no one is getting colds.

No pun intended, but thank God some Christians have more of an open mind.

Okay, in considering what you've mentioned, I will agree that masks might help hinder the virus, though I don't see it as proof that they do. Masks could also encourage the spread of the virus.

There are many different viewpoints.

My main argument is that I don't think the virus has enough risk to warrant a mask mandate or perhaps even wearing a mask at all, especially considering the risk of wearing a mask.

They're saying you might catch Covid through your eyes now. Goggles everyone!

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 6/20/2020 6:08:34 PM (GMT-6)

Somebody said...
My main argument is that I don't think the virus has enough risk to warrant a mask mandate or perhaps even wearing a mask at all, especially considering the risk of wearing a mask.

Yeah and I still think it's possible that you could be right CWL. There just isn't going to be enough data on all of this though.. not until years later. Right now the scientific consensus is to wear masks, practice social distancing, etc. Governments need to be able to mandate some of this stuff for the greater good.

I read the op-ed you linked to earlier and that guy is way off on this. He can call it "tyranny" or whatever he wants, but these are not things that can be left for "private businesses and landowners" to decide.. not when the fatality rate is 20%, not even when it's 0%. With public health at stake, we can't let the markets choose our path. Government inaction in the current pandemic could prove to be even more disastrous for the economy, and all of the other things we care about. Don't worry, we still get to vote in November.

So it's the virus that's really doing the harm, and not the mandates... unless of course, the current scientific consensus about the virus is incorrect. And if it does turn out to be incorrect, it will be because of improbability... or because of miscalculations/misinterpretations of data. It will not be because evil people want us to suffer.

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 6/21/2020 9:54:58 AM (GMT-6)

“ Agree that is not very comfortable wearing it, but less comfortable is having the virus and you or others dying from it (when you wear a mask your are protecting yourself, but first and foremost, you are protecting the other people).“

Apparently wearing a mask doesn’t protect us - it protects everyone else. That’s what our Provincial Health Officer has been saying.

But - protecting everyone else from Covid - is lowering the cases - so it stops the spread which in turn protects ourselves.

If your protecting others your protecting yourself. Think of it as Karma. Or the transitive property if your mathematically minded.

Pillin said...

Girlie said...
“ Agree that is not very comfortable wearing it, but less comfortable is having the virus and you or others dying from it (when you wear a mask your are protecting yourself, but first and foremost, you are protecting the other people).“

Apparently wearing a mask doesn’t protect us - it protects everyone else. That’s what our Provincial Health Officer has been saying.

But - protecting everyone else from Covid - is lowering the cases - so it stops the spread which in turn protects ourselves.

Hi Girlie, why masks should not protect you also? That is nonsense. Provincial Health Officer should think a bit more before talking. In Spain the Health minister has no education on science / medicine, he studied philosophy. Philosophy helps you in life, but you better use science to fight the virus than philosophy or politics. You have an educated person as Prime Minister in Canada, lucky you, but many officials are not.

It is quite clear that primary transmission is through aerosols / droplets from breathing, coughing. If you wear a mask you prevent infecting others if you are infected but, mainly, you prevent yourself being infected from other’s breathing (public transportation for example).

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Our Provincial health officer ;Bonnie Henry) is educated and experienced - take a look at this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/bonnie_henry

We were skeptical at first - but we’ve done amazingly well keeping the numbers down.
Entire province - less than 3,000 cases... and we’ve been in phase 2 opening for a few weeks now..

“Dr. Henry is uniquely positioned to step into the role, with a career that includes tackling a wide variety of public-health concerns and challenges within Canada and abroad. These include supporting the STOP polio program in Pakistan in 2000; working with the World Health Organization on the Ebola outbreak in Uganda in 2001; and, as associate medical officer of health for the City of Toronto, leading the operational response to the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in the city in 2003.“

Bonnie has become a celebrity with her mantra: “ Be kind, be calm and be safe”

You would think they’d also protect ourselves - maybe it’s because you still end up with droplets on the rest of your face ... I don’t know

“ Protecting the wearer is difficult: It requires medical-grade respirator masks, a proper fit, and careful putting on and taking off. But masks can also be worn to prevent transmission to others, and this is their most important use for society. If we lower the likelihood of one person’s infecting another, the impact is exponential, so even a small reduction in those odds results in a huge decrease in deaths. Luckily, blocking transmission outward at the source is much easier. It can be accomplished with something as simple as a cloth mask.“

Lost my source... lol

dcd2103 said...
Hazmat suits don’t work either...neither do condoms or seatbelts

Lol