Those of you who can go out...

CWL..

Yea I do acknowledge case counting is not exactly accurate but it does show trends as long as they dont keep changing the counting rules. Media are using it to meet their needs. Hospital patient count is also a good indicator. I have surgery on Monday and Ive been checking the hospital I'm having it in Boston weekly to see their case count weekly its been going down each week. Glad for that.

Everyone has to make their own call right now, but I think it's good to be prudent - be consious of what you touch when you go outside, and wear a mask around others. You can use certain materials like coffee filters and certain polyesters as filters if you are making homemade masks, and want more protection than surgical masks offer, without dipping into the n95 supplies.

Canadians do seem to be more United and patient / mellow as a country.............or the media just doesn't show the opposite if it happens.

Im afraid the US in now seen as the laughing stock of the West. Its divided as ever. Every other group wants their special voice to be heard over others and wont listen or believe anyone else ect. The media doesnt help.

Canada's government really didnt do anything that much different than the US..............the difference is the people.

Something I watched this evening

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/319044885794513/

Not sure if the link will work

Girlie said...

Deep_sleep said...

You are breathing in the CO2 that you are exhaling - breathing in less oxygen...

but all doctors wear face masks during all major surgery, for decades, and in some cases the procedure can take even 6-7 hours. If masks were a threat to health you would have seen sick surgeons in every country on Earth. You don't see that, right ?

Post Edited (mpost) : 7/4/2020 12:14:14 AM (GMT-6)

CNN is not known to tell the truth.

There are reports that entire nursing homes are being forced to be tested for Covid even when no one is sick. Reports that entire prisons are being tested. More testing, more cases (most cases probably minor or no symptoms at all). Deaths are declining. We're moving toward herd immunity. That's not a bad thing.

It's an election year in the US.

This political / religious mask debate In “some” countries is a nonsense. It’s a pity and a shame the hundreds of thousand of people that will die simply to not wear a mask. And counting...
Human stupidity amazes me!

CWL: Instead of dropping all of these links to whatever you've been watching on YouTube, can you address what mpost wrote above? I think he/she makes a good point...

"but all doctors wear face masks during all major surgery, for decades, and in some cases the procedure can take even 6-7 hours. If masks were a threat to health you would have seen sick surgeons in every country on Earth. You don't see that, right ?"

It seems to me the argument that masks are unhealthy has come distinctly after the argument that masks represent government tyranny.. sorta makes it less believable imo. I think some people just don't feel like wearing them, and they're struggling to find excuses not to

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 7/4/2020 9:01:01 AM (GMT-6)

potsnpans said...
Btw astro: SEATBELTS are tyrannical!

Yep, ................during the Milli-second before people get ejected out of their vehicles, thats what probably crosses their minds. Im sure the sliced-in-half-on-the-fence guy on the county road near me years ago was thinking just that.

"exposing" yourself to a mask ...

Your basic flimsy medical mask used for covid or other basic medical procedures (vs an actual respirator)is not much different than minor altitude or temperature change, most dont even do that. The average person is not jogging or digging ground while wearing these. The worst effect I notice is masks can fog glasses, in which I use anti-fog to remedy that.

An actual rubber respirator with cartridges (different versions of those as well) can be noticeable and comparable to medium elevations in Colorado. If you exerted yourself it would be similar to higher Colorado elevations. You just exert less to deal with it. But people generally dont use these for covid, its over kill.

Science and Physics vs hype = ***All the articles in the world dont mean a thing (nothing at all) unless they technically show a difference in mask air flow rate. As stated, masks are not the same, have different flow rates, so any article grouping them all together is not accurate.***

On the contrary, in ambient sub Zero Fahrenheit air, masks can actually prevent lung issues.

If I tighten my clothing belt it might be difficult to breath when bent over. So dont tighten it that much. Too incredibly simple. But some could say belts are hazardous to your health.

Post Edited (astroman) : 7/4/2020 10:28:30 AM (GMT-6)

CWL: that study doesn't seem to have anything to say about whether the wearing of masks makes doctors sick, which I believe is what mpost was arguing against

In the case of may or may not...............then why not just wear one.

Oh, wait..maybe because some people are just to stubborn. It becomes a mental challenge or power over them, like they gave up. Way to funny.

If my breathing was so bad that wearing a mask made a negative difference, then it would be obvious that I had a severe medical problem and should not be out and about anyway. Id also change the mask.

This is not even close to debatable. Not at all. Entertaining though, yes.