Those of you who can go out...

Yes Girlie, unless I can keep social distancing outdoors. Indoors (shared office or the like) sure. And ventilation. Lots of it.

Girlie- its like the odds of a tick disease. You look at the specific situation/environment and decide.

Your area low numbers is a different situation though, much safer, well, a least for now.

Myself:

Indoors spent at work with other people whom I'm not certain of their off work behavior? - Yes.

Indoors shopping - yes. Some people not wearing masks still sneeze in open air!

Outside away from others, no. (Im not in the city)

Outdoor concert/crowd gathering- yes.

Outdoors biking- I ring my bell, ride off the trail and hold my breath. A jogger? I go way out of my way to avoid them and notice the wind direction.

Walking on a pedestrian trail- id bring one and put it on when needed. Depends if its busy.

A remote hiking trail- guess id bring one if 50 scouts just happen to be there too, otherwise not wearing it in the great wilderness.

In the gym this winter- yes, but if this gets worse I wont be going back to that cesspool till COVID improves. I only need certain machines there, there is really no reason for people to do cardio inside a gym and a BAD idea to do so during this time. Have feet? - go outside, dress for it, its good for you. Treadmills create repetitive motion issues and are boring.

We have no idea what this will be like in a year, miracals happen.

Post Edited (astroman) : 7/4/2020 11:45:00 AM (GMT-6)

“ Girlie- its like the odds of a tick disease. You look at the specific situation/environment and decide.“

Yup.

I have not been wearing a mask at work - but am not sitting close to anyone. I do bring the mask - just in case. I do have to sit beside someone in a couple of weeks for training - so I’m thinking I will wear it then.
I also haven’t worn it grocery shopping - but it isn’t crowded and am able to put space between myself and other shoppers about 90% of the time.

... and we haven’t had any new test positive cases for a few weeks now.
I think there’s been only a few since mid May

Hope our trend continues here and hoping that the situation across the border improves soon!

Thanks As far as studies saying if masks are effective or not, basic physics principles tell you that they will at least minimally act as a deflector, you can’t change physics unless you change planets or live in a vacuum. With low velocity, Like walking or having someone sneeze or cough on your face, Bernoulli‘s principal would still have some increased affect altering the direction of airflow around a curved mask , so a filter membrane large enough to allow the spores to fit through would still help. The effectiveness would increase with velocity rate before eventually meeting a maximum effectiveness point , the yield point would be velocity so increased that the mask would blow off your face. This is basic collage physics 101.

Sitting next to someone for a long time where there is no air velocity Would require a tighter fitting mask to increase effectiveness.

Post Edited (astroman) : 7/4/2020 2:38:37 PM (GMT-6)

blueize said...
Girlie..Unfortunately as long as this mask issue is politicized here in the US we will have a bad situation. My husband and I will continue to mask up for the foreseeable future. There isn’t much you can do without one where we live.

So you live in an area where there are a lot of cases and densely populated.

Hoping things improve for our neighbours sooner than later.

"If the German study's results prove out, that would suggest that earlier common cold coronavirus infections may provide about eight in 10 people some degree of immune protection from the COVID-19 virus."

https://reason.com/2020/07/01/covid-19-herd-immunity-is-much-closer-than-antibody-tests-suggest-say-2-new-studies/#comments

Read this in the news

“ Two Americans have been fined for breaking Canada's COVID-19 quarantine rules after being spotted multiple times in an Ontario town, police say.”

$1000 each. You’ve been warned lol

CWL: This ties in nicely with your link and it's real journalism...

Somebody said...
On Thursday, after the World Health Organization held a two-day online meeting of 1,300 scientists from around the world, the agency’s chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, said the consensus for now was that the I.F.R. is about 0.6 percent — which means that the risk of death is less than 1 percent.

Although she did not note this, 0.6 percent of the world’s population is 47 million people, and 0.6 percent of the American population is 2 million people. The virus remains a major threat.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html

potsnpans, you have given an example of mainstream media manipulation. Giving the impression that the entire population will contract COVID and therefore 2 million will die because Covid has a .6% death rate is wrong.

Too many lies. Too much lunacy. Too much tyranny. Much that we hear is fear mongering propaganda.

I wonder how many deaths (not to mention other affects) the New York Times thinks the shut downs have caused? How major a threat are the shut downs? What are the long term negative impacts of them?

It sounds noble to say "to save one life" until perhaps we find out that we took two lives to save that one.

CA has now banned singing in churches. First the shut downs were only to be until we flattened the curve, but the curve has flattened, deaths are declining, and shut downs to some degree still exist basically everywhere.

The following interview addresses many of my concerns.

Please do not judge this CA mayor unless you listen to the entire interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxcfoxpglc&list=plr8f_swwzprsxd3rbhh_8agxrkjz15ire&index=18&t=0s

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 7/6/2020 2:10:14 PM (GMT-6)

"Too many lies. Too much lunacy. Too much tyranny."

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Nope, its truth that some just cant handle. Does the media over hype some of it, yes, but not all of it. Smart individuals don't need to read or rely on digital or broadcast media when science backs it.

Benefits of masks have been given post after post. Repeated over and over.

Trying to defend on ones choice (right or wrong) is different than arguing physics and science (the truth). . Often ones choices leads to wrong decisions. But if they only affect one individual, why should anyone else care? When choices can affect others, then it matters.

This is like arguing that the sky does not appear blue to most people, when it obviously does on a sunny day.

When people do not care about others health, that is a direct disrespect to the human race.

Trump Falsely Claims ‘99 Percent’ of Virus Cases Are ‘Totally Harmless’.


And that ^^^^^^^ is a big part of your problem in the U.S. of A.

We had a friend die here in LA yesterday after a 4 month hospitalization with Covid 19. He was 41. I know lots of other people who were older and had mild cases. There are still so many things we dont' know about this virus and why it's a death sentence for some, others unaffected and even bizarre physical symptoms in some children.

As Astroman says - Physics is all you need to know a mask will help reduce the spread of respiratory illness. Plenty of studies big back to the 1980s showing that masks help. We have surging cases in LA. I will wear a mask in all the recommended situations because it's the right thing to do for myself and my fellow humans. Here in Los Angeles that means stores, indoor businesses, in my own home if I have masked friends/relatives/workers coming in and outside if I am going to be walking or hiking in an area where social distancing isn't adequate.

The media wants you to think that, Girlie. They're running away with that statement and making it what they want it to be. The media also wanted us to think that Hydroxychloroquine should not be used for Covid. Why did the media rip Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for Covid?

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

Will all of you please listen to the following?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny4ni-yumpg&list=wl&index=232&t=0s

There's something bad wrong going on, and it's not all about our health. I'll leave it at that.