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Posted 7/18/2020 9:30 AM (GMT 0)
Hi guys,
I've now been on buhner bartobella herbals for over a month. I started from small doses, one herb a time and finally got to big doses with small, tolerable herx. (Tinctures 1/4 tsp 3x day, 1 tsp houttuynia 3x a day).

Since starting, I've had little more tinnitus, hearing weirdness that lasts for few moments, muscle spasms, fatigue and random leg pain in evening/night.
Totally tolerable to me. I've tried doing more detox as I've increased the doses as well.

However, for few days I've had these weird crawling sensations all over my body, quite bad dizziness (rocking boat type). I woke up last night drenched in sweat and with blaring tinnitus and hearing loss, which is my worst and scariest symptom. It's now after 6hrs getting better, but really bad episode anyways!

I've had half a year with no hearing loss episodes, but now it hit and hard. Did I go too fast with the herbs after all, or does this sound like a normal flare up?

Thank you.
Posted 7/18/2020 1:37 PM (GMT 0)
Maybe stop the treatment for a couple days - see if you feel better.
You may have an overload of toxins.

You got to high doses if the herbs quite quickly -
Posted 7/18/2020 2:03 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
Maybe stop the treatment for a couple days - see if you feel better.
You may have an overload of toxins.

You got to high doses if the herbs quite quickly -

I was wondering if it's ok to stop the treatment for few days. Thanks for informing! Maybe I'll just do few days only detoxing.
Yeah, I was also impatient. Just re-counted the days and I haven't even finished a month yet.
Posted 7/18/2020 2:17 PM (GMT 0)
Your instinct is right, bbthewood. Slowly is best, and it sounds like you've done things gradually, which is great. All of your symptoms have happened to me with Bartonella herxes, too. It's miserable! But it will pass. I agree with stopping the herbs for a few days until you're close to your tolerable baseline again, and then adding them back in slowly. If you are taking a low dose and still feeling something, then you are treating. You don't have to take the full dose for the treatment to be effective, so increase very slowly. Hang in there.
Posted 7/18/2020 2:43 PM (GMT 0)

saraeli said...
Your instinct is right, bbthewood. Slowly is best, and it sounds like you've done things gradually, which is great. All of your symptoms have happened to me with Bartonella herxes, too. It's miserable! But it will pass. I agree with stopping the herbs for a few days until you're close to your tolerable baseline again, and then adding them back in slowly. If you are taking a low dose and still feeling something, then you are treating. You don't have to take the full dose for the treatment to be effective, so increase very slowly. Hang in there.

Great info, thanks! I still haven't touched any other protocols yet and I was tested weak positive for Rickettsia as well and might have Lyme and Babesia too so don't know what to expect lol.

You had ear problems as well? Seems like they're a bit rare. Hope you're doing better nowadays.
Posted 7/18/2020 3:13 PM (GMT 0)
Low and slow is the best way to go. I learned to ramp up before off days of work so I could take on the brunt of a herx if I had one. I am also doing that with Pharma. My LLPA tends to hit heavy with the scripts but I have been bitten twice and thrice shy. I start with half pills once a day then work up from their. It seems to be working. I pretty much told myself this is a marathon not a sprint. No need to go nuts. I was told that with herbals and thought I could take higher doses (Im a bigger guy). Man I had some nasty herxes all right. Up your detox but make sure you get your electrolytes. Those could cause heart palps and twitching. Good luck!
Posted 7/18/2020 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
Sounds like a herx. I always herxed worst around the 3 week mark.
Posted 7/18/2020 7:56 PM (GMT 0)
Ear symptoms came and went for me - sudden brief hearing loss, ringing in the ears, pressure, soreness (like a sore throat in the ears), and lots of issues with dizziness and disequilibrium.

On Christmas morning 2018, I woke up at 4 a.m. worried some sort of sonic attack was happening (people at the American embassy in Cuba had been worried about a sonic attack recently) because I had diminished hearing, ringing, and absurd head pressure. I woke up my family because I thought maybe there had been an explosion or something, but they were fine! It subsided over the course of a few days.

Around that time I also experienced serious reactions to barometric pressure changes. A drop in pressure (like before a storm, especially a snowstorm) would just destroy me for a day or two. That's also related to the inner ears, partly.

The boat rocking feeling is called Mal de Debarquement syndrome (MDDS) by the way. smile A doctor at Mt. Sinai Hospital in NYC treats it, but for you it should go away on its own as your infections and residual damage recede.

I'm definitely better in these ways. Not 100%, but when these symptoms do occur, I barely notice and don't mind. But at first they were maddening and scary!
Posted 7/19/2020 9:51 AM (GMT 0)

saraeli said...
Ear symptoms came and went for me - sudden brief hearing loss, ringing in the ears, pressure, soreness (like a sore throat in the ears), and lots of issues with dizziness and disequilibrium.

On Christmas morning 2018, I woke up at 4 a.m. worried some sort of sonic attack was happening (people at the American embassy in Cuba had been worried about a sonic attack recently) because I had diminished hearing, ringing, and absurd head pressure. I woke up my family because I thought maybe there had been an explosion or something, but they were fine! It subsided over the course of a few days.

Around that time I also experienced serious reactions to barometric pressure changes. A drop in pressure (like before a storm, especially a snowstorm) would just destroy me for a day or two. That's also related to the inner ears, partly.

The boat rocking feeling is called Mal de Debarquement syndrome (MDDS) by the way. smile A doctor at Mt. Sinai Hospital in NYC treats it, but for you it should go away on its own as your infections and residual damage recede.

I'm definitely better in these ways. Not 100%, but when these symptoms do occur, I barely notice and don't mind. But at first they were maddening and scary!

Wow. Veery similar stuff here as well! My last episode has 100% resolved already but as a music producer I crap my pants everytime when that stuff happens lol. Glad to hear you're better and digging your positive mentality on these issues a lot, trying my hardest with that as well.

Also thanks for info on the dizziness! I think it might be partly provoked by neck tension. (Usually flares/is worse after working a lot on computer)
Posted 7/20/2020 2:07 PM (GMT 0)
“Usually flares/is worse after working a lot on computer“

- Could be EMF sensitivities. Lots with Lyme get this. I have it. I don’t have much issue most of the time, but when I had the worst herxes and was the most toxic, I had crazy EMF sensitivities to my phone. I felt physical pain just having my phone next to me without even touching it. Holding it in my hand, my hand would get hot and hurt. Lyme/co cause crazy weird symptoms.
Posted 7/20/2020 2:26 PM (GMT 0)
If you can't escape EMF or avoid using your computer because of work, then a grounding mat is an option (or just making sure to head outside on the actual ground as much as possible).
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