COVID-19

"Covid-19 is more common in cities and Lyme is more common in the country so folks like me who have both may not be high in numbers...."

That's a good point, Astronomer. It could help explain why so few on this forum are getting covid.

birthdaysuit: Keep looking and you'll eventually find a conspiracy theory you can really latch on to.

It's not a conspiracy theory when you can hear it from their own mouths. Have we ever incorporated this kind of death counting for any other disease or pandemic? Illinois has been one of the strictest lock down states. And they count deaths like this?

Start listening at 14:40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm4_xjyd1uk

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death

"FOX 35 News found this out after asking Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino whether two coronavirus victims who were in their 20s had any underlying conditions. One of his answers surprised us.

“The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident,” Pino said."

And remember, Dr. Birx said that Covid deaths could be inflated by 25%. I wouldn't be surprised if they are inflated by much more than that.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, and i doubt there’s an actual conspiracy going on in the traditional sense (no people in charge have gotten together and agreed to systemically inflate the numbers), but I don’t trust anything in this country that has become politicized.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the numbers were *mildly* inflated because, if youre an ER dr and your patient passes, why not just mark it as a covid death, if that’s politically palatable to you. Who cares right? Once you have the moral high ground, the ends always justify the means.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 7/21/2020 11:51:50 AM (GMT-6)

In my above post, I was just saying that it's not a conspiracy when we say that deaths in regard to Covid are being inflated. And why are states (Illinois in above video) incorporating such ways to count the Covid deaths? It's enough to cause suspicion.

I don't know all the reasons why certain locations have lower hospitalizations and deaths. Treatments being used in certain areas could be one reason. South Dakota was the state with the least shut down in the country, and their Covid cases and deaths have remained low.

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 7/21/2020 1:20:07 PM (GMT-6)

It’s absolutely both amazing and disheartening to me to read some of the comments being posted here regarding conspiracy. The truth speaks for itself. This country has lost control of this pandemic with cases soaring and death rates climbing. Precious time has been wasted the last six months. I do have to wonder now that masks have been touted as being “patriotic” how many of those folks who refused to wear them will now be masking up.

South Dakota has only two populated areas in the entire state and only one (Sioux Falls) could only just recently be termed as a mini-metro area (its a "wanna be metro"). Thats wear the "Covid" meat plant is. Nothing but I-90 , barbwire , and wind blown sparse fields 350 miles west to Rapid City (less people yet). Oh wait... you can get gas, bumper stickers, and free tumbleweed at Wall Drug in the middle (800 people in Wall, S.D., 2020 ).

Few people with miles and miles between small towns and no major city = low to no Covid.

I don't know if anyone saw this but in jan2020 a number of senators mostly in the New England area sent a letter to fauci asking for a formal response on what he was doing for lyme disease. Interesting. I don't know that he ever responded but it did seem to go nowhere with the whole covid thing. You can find it on Google and Facebook.

We are quarentined. My 20 month old grandson who lives with us is covid positive. We live in a rural area with hardly any cases at all. Heck the whole state has 5142 cases and my county only has 84. We never went anywhere other than grocery store very early Monday mornings with gloves and masks. Haven't eaten anything that I didn't personally cook since March.

Then there is the other side of this story.
Grandson's mother took two vacations and went out every night. Acted like nothing was going on. She caught it at beach and gave it to grandson. She got him for the first time in three weeks for a day and a half right before she found out she was positive. A few days later he had fever. Sorry for ranting but I knew this was how it was going to happen. I kept trying to warn her but....

The heslth department calls daily and all of our family doctors have called at least once. They have tested myself, wife and daughter twice so far and my son and grandson once. So far just grandson is positive. We all get tested again Friday. Hopefully they will all be negative. If they are we can stop the quarentine. I don't see how they could be negative but hope so.

We all had some mild symptoms, headaches, diarrhea, stomach pains, congestion and son, daughter, grandson and wife all had low grade fevers. I never had a fever. We are hoping it was something else. Grandson was fevered and whiny for two days and had diarrhea for four or five but that's it. You would never know he was sick now (one week later). He's running around like a wild man.

We saw the anecdotal evidence from China about covid and BVT so the whole family got on board and started to sting. We are beekeepers so they all get random stings through out the season.
They just jumped right in. I do BVT for Lyme. All of us have type O blood so maybe we'll just have mild cases if we do have it. Hard to imagine that we don't have it because my grandson is always licking everything, slobbering on your face, sticking his slobber fingers in your mouth when your not paying attention etc lol. He's cute as can be but he's disgusting 😂. He also shares whatever I am eating so yeah there's that.

Now I have to worry he may have lifelong problems. It sucks for him. We kept him completely isolated when we had him but his mom took him every where the few times she did have him and took every risk when she was alone.
Frustrating.

potsnpans said...

dcd2103 said...
It wouldn’t surprise me if the numbers were *mildly* inflated because, if youre an ER dr and your patient passes, why not just mark it as a covid death, if that’s politically palatable to you. Who cares right? Once you have the moral high ground, the ends always justify the means.

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I haven't checked out CWL's links yet, but I don't understand why a majority of doctors would be motivated to do that... Are you assuming most doctors would want to see higher covid deaths because of their politics, vs the opposite?

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I don’t believe the majority of Doctors are doing this.
Seriously.

WV Mike said...
We are quarentined. My 20 month old grandson who lives with us is covid positive. We live in a rural area with hardly any cases at all. Heck the whole state has 5142 cases and my county only has 84. We never went anywhere other than grocery store very early Monday mornings with gloves and masks. Haven't eaten anything that I didn't personally cook since March.

Then there is the other side of this story.
Grandson's mother took two vacations and went out every night. Acted like nothing was going on. She caught it at beach and gave it to grandson. She got him for the first time in three weeks for a day and a half right before she found out she was positive. A few days later he had fever. Sorry for ranting but I knew this was how it was going to happen. I kept trying to warn her but....

The heslth department calls daily and all of our family doctors have called at least once. They have tested myself, wife and daughter twice so far and my son and grandson once. So far just grandson is positive. We all get tested again Friday. Hopefully they will all be negative. If they are we can stop the quarentine. I don't see how they could be negative but hope so.

We all had some mild symptoms, headaches, diarrhea, stomach pains, congestion and son, daughter, grandson and wife all had low grade fevers. I never had a fever. We are hoping it was something else. Grandson was fevered and whiny for two days and had diarrhea for four or five but that's it. You would never know he was sick now (one week later). He's running around like a wild man.

We saw the anecdotal evidence from China about covid and BVT so the whole family got on board and started to sting. We are beekeepers so they all get random stings through out the season.
They just jumped right in. I do BVT for Lyme. All of us have type O blood so maybe we'll just have mild cases if we do have it. Hard to imagine that we don't have it because my grandson is always licking everything, slobbering on your face, sticking his slobber fingers in your mouth when your not paying attention etc lol. He's cute as can be but he's disgusting 😂. He also shares whatever I am eating so yeah there's that.

Now I have to worry he may have lifelong problems. It sucks for him. We kept him completely isolated when we had him but his mom took him every where the few times she did have him and took every risk when she was alone.
Frustrating.

I feel bad for you and your grandson. It is so frustrating when you do everything you can do to keep safe but it just doesn't seem to help because of an irresponsible loved one. I know this from personal experience. It's because of an irresponsible loved one that my wife and I both have covid. I'm bitter but I'm working to get over it because bitterness can be as destructive as any disease.

Astronomer, I wouldn't call her a loved one. We are frustrated after all we did to protect him and she did everything she could to infect him but we knew this was going to happen. We don't say anything because we all need to get along for grandson. Have to put what's best for him in front of everything else. Very unfortunate situation. What can you do? Damage is already done. Just roll with it I guess and hope for the best.

I hope you and your wife do well and don't have a severe illness. Hopefully that's the case for all of us. I saw on the evening news that the cases seem to be less severe now than when it first broke out in China.

ChristianWithLyme said...
potsnpans, it's possible that some of the ways deaths were being inflated earlier on have been corrected.

Even early on the CDC wouldn't have been taking Illinois' numbers without correcting/refining them.

Did you read the NYT article yet?