I've already tried Disulfiram and it...
did not improve my symptoms, but gave me major side effects (withdrawal needed?) - 7.7% - 1 votes
did not improve my symptoms, but gave me only minor/no side effects - 15.4% - 2 votes
improved my symptoms a bit, but I had major side effects (withdrawal needed?) - 30.8% - 4 votes
improved my symptoms a bit and I had only minor/no side effects - 0.0% - 0 votes
improved my symptoms moderately or strongly, but I had major side effects (withdrawal needed?) - 7.7% - 1 votes
improved my symptoms moderately or strongly I had only minor/no side effects - 38.5% - 5 votes
_Markus_
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Posted 12/21/2019 10:43 AM (GMT 0)
I couldn't find a Disulfiram poll, so I'll start one here. I plan to start DSF in the next days. If you take part in the poll and you have further useful or more specific information (which side effects, which symptoms, diagnosis, additional medication,...), please post it here in the thread
Post Edited (_Markus_) : 12/21/2019 6:09:42 AM (GMT-7)
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Posted 12/21/2019 11:08 AM (GMT 0)
How can I see the results of the poll without taking part in the poll? Is this possible? Because no answer fits for me (not started DSF yet).
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Posted 12/21/2019 1:12 PM (GMT 0)
Is it impossible to see the poll results without taking part? That would be very bad, because I didn't include the option "Not tried DSF yet". I don't know how I can change the poll options now. Besides that, only 6 options are possible and I've used 6 already...
Would it makes sense to make a complete new poll?
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Posted 12/21/2019 2:34 PM (GMT 0)
Cignet.☄️ said...
Create another option for haven't taken dsf and you can see it then
I took 62.5mg for 5 days, 125mg for 5 day and then 187.5mg for 5 days before stopping. Felt improvements but not worth the side effects given my current state. If I could knock the worst of it back with abx then use disulfiram, I would - which is what Dr Liegner, Kinderlehrer et al have been doing.
I’m guessing someone has already mentioned this to you but just in case they haven’t this schedule may seem benign but I’ve read about
doctors that put there patient on 62.5 or 125 once every four days or even once a week because they are so sensitive etc.. Getting up to 125 every day after 5 days seems very quick. Just something to think about
. Best of luck to you.
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Posted 12/21/2019 5:14 PM (GMT 0)
I worked my way up to 500mg over the course of a month on the advice of my doctor (looking back I think the ramp up was way too fast).
I started to feel really good. Much more energy and thinking clearly. The only major symptom I was dealing with was a headache.
Soon after I started to get neuropathy. Numbness came first, then some shooting pains. It was very scary when I was unable to move my fingers properly and my limbs felt weak. I withdrew the drug and then started getting panic attacks. I think it's been four weeks now and both of those things have resolved, thankfully.
I'm not sure if I've had any lasting improvements, sadly. I'm currently taking a break from treating. Maybe in a month or so I'll restart very slowly.
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Posted 12/21/2019 8:10 PM (GMT 0)
_Markus_ said...
Is it impossible to see the poll results without taking part? That would be very bad, because I didn't include the option "Not tried DSF yet". I don't know how I can change the poll options now. Besides that, only 6 options are possible and I've used 6 already...
Would it makes sense to make a complete new poll?
With other polls, I'm quite sure i've seen results without participating in the poll.
Maybe no one has taken part in the poll yet?
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Posted 12/21/2019 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie said...
_Markus_ said...
Maybe no one has taken part in the poll yet?
Ok, that's possible. Then let's wait a bit.
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Posted 12/22/2019 10:35 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie said...
Maybe no one has taken part in the poll yet?
I just answered "did not improve my symptoms, but gave me only minor/no side effects" as a dummy answer and now I can see the results. Can anyone else who hasn't taken part in the poll see the results? It seems that one can see the results only after taking part in the poll, which is fairly useless for the people who want to decide if they shall take DSF or not.
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Posted 12/22/2019 12:17 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, if you log out or open a private browsing window, it will show you the results.
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Posted 12/22/2019 4:04 PM (GMT 0)
i've heard from some folks it can take 6-8 weeks before you know what you feel like on a daily basis post-DSF. It not only takes up to 2 weeks to clear from your system also whatever impact its causing has to resolve as well. Weeks to resolve seems to be the common thing i hear.
dsf also seems to be a good biofilm buster given long past symptoms seem to reemerge for many folks. that could be the biofilm busting or deeper tissue penetration where the bugs are hiding out.
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Posted 12/22/2019 6:02 PM (GMT 0)
It took longer than 2 weeks for the disulfiram to clear out. More like a month. I'd say your estimate of 6-8 weeks before you know is reasonable.
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Posted 12/25/2019 11:21 AM (GMT 0)
*bump*
Started today with 125 mg DSF. Okay or to much?
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Posted 12/25/2019 5:55 PM (GMT 0)
I haven't voted because I'm 2.5 months in, still treating at 125 mg (enteric caps) and still having ups and downs. Don't know if there are many others that can give conclusive opinions either yet.
At times I have experienced great improvements in my overall mood, motivation, and physical endurance. Not sure how much of the positives are due to killing action of drug vs the effects it has on dopamine in the brain.
I believe alcoholics are typically prescribed an initial "loading dose" of 500 mg that is higher than their "maintenance dose" 250 mg... the goal being to keep the levels in the body more even/stable (long half-life allows maintenance dose to build to strength of initial loading dose). THOSE DOSES ARE TOO HIGH FOR LYME PATIENTS TO START AT THOUGH.
I took 125 mg as my first dose (as you did), then took 1 day off.
Next dose was 62.5 mg, then 2 days off, then 62.5, then 2 days off... and continued that way for two weeks. No herxing or side effects after 2 weeks so I increased to 62.5 every other day...
Good luck with it!
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Posted 12/25/2019 7:22 PM (GMT 0)
Markus I would start with 125 every 3rd day or every other day for at least a week and see how you do on that first. Good luck.
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Is it possible to combine DSF with minocycline in terms of liver-toxicity? I could have weekly liver tests. My doc is in holiday for at least one more week, so I don't know whom to ask.
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Posted 1/2/2020 4:23 AM (GMT 0)
I had no problem with dsf + minocycline.
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Posted 7/29/2020 9:18 PM (GMT 0)
Bumping this up...
Please take part if you have already tried DSF.
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Posted 7/29/2020 9:32 PM (GMT 0)
I voted "improved my symptoms moderately or strongly I had only minor/no side effects" but would like to add a caveat:
Without supplementing zinc and without putting my DSF in enteric capsules, I believe the side effects would have gotten much worse for me.
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Posted 7/30/2020 8:08 AM (GMT 0)
potsnpans said...
Without supplementing zinc and without putting my DSF in enteric capsules, I believe the side effects would have gotten much worse for me.
Of which material are these capsules made? Is it just these cellulose capsules? Which form or product of zinc do you take?
Question to all: Do I have to take DSF on an empty stomach or apart from calcium rich foods?
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Posted 7/30/2020 1:03 PM (GMT 0)
I bought my empty enteric capsules from capsuline.com. They are also available on Amazon. Because the DSF isn't being sealed inside the capsules, I actually bought size 0 and size 00 so that I could double them up.
Zinc: I took one cap of Garden of Life brand daily which was 50 mg (this brand also includes a little bit of vitamin C). Too much zinc can give you problems with too low copper.. just something to be aware of.
My opinion is that taking DSF on an empty stomach is best.. it should help avoid metabolite formation in the stomach- the same reason for taking it in enteric capsules.
It's tricky though... We know that if unmodified DSF gets to the bloodstream, that it is good for killing borrelia. But we still don't know much about how DSF taken orally might kill babesia, or how it might affect other pathogens in ways beneficial to us. Many metabolites are formed when DSF is in the stomach.
There's still a lot of research that needs to be done and not a lot of funding. There was talk about reformulating DSF which I assume would solve the funding problem because there would be a new patent.. but I haven't heard anything new lately. I fear the researchers are moving on to other things...
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Posted 7/30/2020 3:35 PM (GMT 0)
_Markus_ said...
Question to all: Do I have to take DSF on an empty stomach or apart from calcium rich foods?
I believe it's copper rich foods you are thinking of. The DSF-copper metabolite is one that is believed to trigger neuropathy.
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Posted 7/31/2020 4:36 PM (GMT 0)
potsnpans said...
_Markus_ said...
Question to all: Do I have to take DSF on an empty stomach or apart from calcium rich foods?
I believe it's copper rich foods you are thinking of.
Yes, that's possible. I did not much research into DSF, because my energy is very limited and I find it very confusing. Seems to me like everyone says some different things, but nothing is backed up by evidence. Right?
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Posted 7/31/2020 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
Markus: Watch video interviews with Dr. Jayakumar Rajadas for scientific info. Dr. Leigner and Dr. Kinderlehrer have shared clinical experiences.
Dr Leigner was the first to share his clinical experience and his treatment protocol has been refined since then. Might be best to look for the later interviews and reporting from him.
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Posted 7/31/2020 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, thanks. Do you know how the treatment works for the patients? I mean many patients take DSF but only a few took part in the poll here. Maybe you know of more experiences on Facebook, etc.
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Posted 7/31/2020 7:32 PM (GMT 0)
It's hard to say. There have been polls periodically in the FB group. I think people who start low and go slow are mostly finding it helpful. Some really helpful. But there are a few horror stories involving neuropathy that won't go away even after stopping the drug. Most cases of neuropathy do resolve though, if patient scales back or stops the drug. Fatigue can also get pretty intense at times, and there are psychological side effects some will experience at high dosages.