Lowering high B6 levels

No - I haven’t heard that.

How does that work?

I lowered my B6 levels by killing bartonella henselae with antibiotics.

I think I remember GeorgiaHunter posting about certain gut microbes that create B6, and lowering B6 by making alterations in diet. Maybe he will chime in...

Quin said...
I had bartonella that was resistant to clarithromycin and rifampin. Didn't try azithromycin. I was able to kill the active bacteria with minocycline and to 'wake up' the inactive bacteria with atovaquone or valproate.

Thanks.I think I am going to try Minocycline next.I am doing some herbs and gut work right now.

Hi, yeah i've actually done it.

I thought it was B3, but it might have been B2. I have a genetic defect where my body can't fully process B6, so after i got diagnosed with Lyme i was put on a complex B Multi, and it raised my B6 too high. Close to toxic levels. A was told to stop the Multi B and start Niacin (i still think it's B3) but this was like 2 years ago, i could be wrong.

Anyway my B6 lowered into normal range

saraeli said...
Is it typical to check B6 levels? What happens to you when they are high?

I have taken B2 in order to prevent and treat migraines before with some success, for whatever that maybe worth.

I went to a llmd all last year and I can’t believe she did not one time check my b6 levels especially when it cause the same symptoms as Lyme/co’s.

At one time My b6 was 450 with a Range limit of around 100 ,,,I think that was from quest diagnostcs.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/12/2020 8:26:17 AM (GMT-6)

Typically b6 toxicity is associated with peripheral neuropathy, and even then its extremely rare. Is this what you are experiencing? You'd most likely need to be ingesting large amounts of B6 supplements for this to be a problem. Are you taking any supplements w/ B6 in them?

I would caution against making a snap judgement over a single test. I'd have it retested.

dcd2103 said...
Typically b6 toxicity is associated with peripheral neuropathy, and even then its extremely rare. Is this what you are experiencing? You'd most likely need to be ingesting large amounts of B6 supplements for this to be a problem. Are you taking any supplements w/ B6 in them?

I would caution against making a snap judgement over a single test. I'd have it retested.

I tested it multiple times with quest and another lab. High b6 is not as uncommon as some might think. ....But high b6 and b6 toxicoty are not nessesarly the same. ...

The suppliments I used were not that high in dose either. After dropping redbull it was still high for a long time.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/12/2020 10:23:55 AM (GMT-6)

Astro: Georgiahunter talks about it in this thread:
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4138409#gsc.tab=0

" Streptococcus and Lactobacillus casei can be the culprits but there are other strains that make B-6 as well. The Proteobacteria are known for making B-6. They are E coli, Salmonella, and H pylori to name a few. Pseudomonas makes a pyridoxine phosphate oxidase which causes more B-6. No matter what the case, dysbiosis is the cause and needs to be corrected."

Interesting link from the facebook page: https://n.neurology.org/content/82/10_Supplement/P6.111

From the FB b6 western front page ":Although you may be here because of elevated B6 blood test or the feeling of pins/needles and pain (peripheral neuropathy) in your hands or feet, you’ll soon realize that many of your health problems may be due to B6 toxicity. B6 is attacking your sensory, motor and autonomic nerves. The sensory nerves attack is the pain in your feet and hands. It is pins and needles. It hurts. It numbs. It burns. It stings. This is B6 toxicity that is known by some doctors and discussed in most of the literature.

The second set of nerve damage is the damage to motor nerves. Basically your nerves stop talking to your muscles. Your body feels heavy. You can barely get from one place to next. It takes a huge amount of effort. You also have the muscles wasting with this set of nerve damage. The article below is of a yoga instructor that has motor nerve issues.

http://m.neurology.org/content/82/10_Supplement/P6.111

The third set of nerve damage is to the autonomic nervous. What should be automatic in your body is no longer automatic. You have temperature issues, sweating issues, irregular heartbeats, blood pressure issues, thirst, hunger, dry eyes, dry mouth, bladder issues, digestive issues including upper GI (nausea, vomiting after meals, reflux) and lower GI (constipation or diarrhea).

We know through the research done at Massachusetts General Hospital by Dr. Anne Oaklander (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guS6PATRh7E) that B6 is one of the causes for small fiber polyneuropathy (SFPN). Dr. Oaklander explains in this video that “polyneuropathy means all or most of the nerve fibers are sick”. She also explains that blood vessels are lined with small fiber nerves. An attack on these nerves in our blood vessels gives us the swollen veins plus the heart rate and blood pressure issues. The low blood pressure (volume) effects on muscles include shortness of breath, fatigue, poor exercise tolerance. The low blood pressure effects on the brain is the all too familiar brain fog which is difficulty in thinking and concentration and headaches. "

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Hmm.

Thanks for finding that old b6 post here. I gave up digging for history here.

I had to much going on to say what exactly was causing this, but id say it was several things: Lyme "bb" bacteria, genes (tested), low B6 vitamin quality, and possibly bart and maybe from SIBO too.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/12/2020 4:01:22 PM (GMT-6)