My liver flush thread

I have been speaking of making a thread on the topic of liver flush and/or (suspected) liver fluke parasites for a long time. I had responded to another user Jabele's liver flush post quite some time ago and discussed making another thread. Well it is finally time.

I was initally surprised years ago at the start of my lyme treatment with the doc that a good amount of things he put me on had anti-parasitic properties. I was surprised when he put me on Alinia, and even more surprised when I had a MAJOR herx and parasite die-off from it (I suspect multiple types)!

Well I have also long seen strange items in the stool and have a history of GI symptoms. Most of the time I notice round or oblong particles with a bowel movement, suspicious because of the consistency of their apperance. In the past I also consistently passed the debris that many refer to as "rolled up tomato skin." Also, I have noticed corresponding liver "fullness" or shooting pain sensations. I have also noticed my tendency to high ammonia (I also have the CBS mutation) and how in those times when I have die-off, taking L-ornithine helps to slow my racing thoughts and often "flip the switch" to off allowing me to sleep.

When you read online about liver fluke, for one, you'll notice an increasing amount of information available from sources like the CDC etc. Several years ago it looked like a very remote possiblity in the USA based on internet searching but now there are many more articles.

I have been looking at a book by Hulda Clark "The Cure for All Diseases" and she discusses a parasite killing program containing black walnut, wormwood and cloves, taking these for about 14 days and then following that with a liver flush using a recipe of grapefruit juice, olive oil, and epsom salt which is provided in the book.

I have taken the above antiparasitic herbal before but had been off of it for a long while. Well on day 5 of this round of the parasite killing herbs above I started noticing what I feel are the liver flukes in bowel movements and began having several more bowel movements per day than usual. I also noticed an increase in ammonia (die off) and sensations in the location of my liver.

I also managed to get one coffee enema done which was very productive -like back when I first did them- and I hope to do another tonight.

Well, tomorrow would be the day for me to do the liver flush. I have never done one before so I am a little hesitant. But at this point, it is clear that I have something mucking up my liver. Hulda Clark's book suspects that there are gallstones forming around dead parasitic material, plugging up the bile ducts in the liver.

I have off-and-on wondered how many of my symptoms are actually caused by this liver fluke (and possibly not lyme and coinfection?). I know already that they contribute to the ammonia which probably causes me something akin to hepatic encephalopathy, and insomnia as well as cognitive issues.

Well, I will report back on how things go. I might have to delay the liver flush by a few days depending on how confident I feel that I have been on the parasite killing protocol long enough.

Please feel free to post any thoughts. I've noticed several comments here and there on this board over the years regarding liver flukes.

a few years before I became fully ill - I was still working 12-16hrs a day and flaying around the world etc and generally still healthy - could go to the gym, play squash for 1.5hrs, mountain bike, etc etc

but then one night out of the blue I had horrendous pain in my chest and was rushed to A&E in the early hours with a suspected heart attack.
turned out to be gall bladder attack - very painful indeed.

GP wanted to have it removed - had no explanation for why a healthy male in his 40's who kept fit and watched what he ate should get this - wasn't even interested.

i refused - but had several more attacks - to the point where eating any fatty food would set it off - eg just a single egg.

I did some reading and found the Hulda Clark info and decided to give it a go.
i did around 12 of them over the following year - with generally reducing symptoms
i did not experience any pain like the ER visit from doing the flush - but a couple of them were uncomfortable - most entirely painless
at the end of that 12 months i could eat all foods again without flare-ups

I now eat strictly keto diet and have no issues with that at all - despite most o my calories coming from fat
although lately during treatment with antibiotics and herbs combined, I can get a general discomfort pressure like feeling around my liver - nothing near the scale of the GB attacks
just like my liver is a bit overworked.

I don't know if everything in the Hulda Clarke protocol is needed ( sometimes I skipped the anti-parasitics) or if it works the way they say it does - but it worked for me

Thank you all for the replies - I will add some notes now even though I am still foggy and recovering from a successful cleanse!

Overall the cleanse was surprisingly effective or thorough, in fact a true "cleanse!" Who would have thought?
After the grapefruit/olive oil drink I soon ended up expelling probably 80-100 small greenish or tan "stones." I didn't explore too much, but they were definitely not stool due to the green color and I did inspect one and it had structural integrity at least along the lines of a waxy or fatty substance. It did also appear to have something inside of it (Clark speculates broken down parasite) like it has layers. Quite an alarming or shocking experience for the uninitiated! I have pictures if the forum desires just let me know the best way to link it.

Here was my breakdown according to the times suggested in the Clark Cleanse (see recipe linked above by Deejavu)

2:00PM I made the mix - I also failed to make sure I took eating my bland food seriously or to insure I was properly hydrated going in. I did eat chips and salsa and a baked potato. If I did it again I would make sure to hydrate well the day before and prior to 2 and would perhaps eat a bit more.

6:00PM First drink of epsom - oh man drinking salt is bad - the volume isn't a lot which helps but it tastes like bitter death! Only 3/4 cup so not too much problem. Every food I ever enjoyed sounds great since I can't eat!

8:00PM Immediately after this second epsom dose, big time stomach gurgling, immediately had to go to bathroom and had a lot of watery diarrhea which did not expel any of the stones but did produce similar to a coffee enema though much more diarrhea volume, surprisingly so. I feel the instructions didn't let me know the diarreha would hid this soon - yeah definitely get the bedtime chores done! Ended up in the bathroom 2-3 times with large volume of diarrhea. Get any sleep supplements ready

10:00PM Starting to feel fatigue from diarrhea, definitely recommend taking the grapefruit/olive oil mix to the bedroom (drink it standing up though). Expect to feel the imminent urge to expel whilst making said concoction! Important to ready to lay still in bed for the 20 minutes and go to sleep. I had some awakening in the night with some gurgling, but didn't have to get up for bathroom

9AM next day: woke up with strong diarrhea, expelled 20-50 green "stones" and quite a bit of other material, quite a bit of liquid volume expelled again.

10AM next day: Expelled even more stones to total about 100 estimated, volume of them reduced this time and next. Passing other material, "chaff" like similar to coffee enema stuff. Took first AM dose of epsom, more diarrhea
11AM: passing more diarrhea without stones
12PM: Took second and final epsom dose
1:30PM: Ate some saltine crackers and apple juice, stomach fragile, pounding headache (from lack of caffeine)
2:00PM two cups of coffee killed the headache, had another diarrhea session

7:00PM I feel a bit weak. I took some electrolyte pills and drinking water. I feel like I have been cleansed but weak in a way simliar to colonoscopy recovery. I am amazed at what came out of my body and look forward to seeing what results I feel going forward!

3rd day: Update: Wow, I actually had three or so episodes of cleansing diarrhea here on the third day, eventually tapering off towards mid-afternoon! Still some lingering digestive sensitivity through the 4th day (nothing major, just don't feel like eating anything spicy still) I still had some trouble falling to sleep last night, I ended up taking two more L-ornithine as I felt I was overly alert possibly due to more ammonia, it seemed to help again. Overall I am starting to feel like I did acheive an energy boost from the cleanse.


Additional notes: Make sure you are well hydrated going in to the cleanse and also that you take advantage of eating the bland foods available prior to the start of the cleanse. Try to wake up early the second day, like 6AM so that your first morning epsom dose occurs early - mine didn't (I slept in) and I was fasting for about 24 hours total. I also recommend taking the L-ornithine for sleep, I took 6 and slept well. I would advise that the decision whether and when to do the cleanse is a significant one - in terms of the trauma or shock to the system- it was a bit worse than colonoscopy prep, not in terms of the difficulty to drink (that wasn't too bad just super bitter with epsom) but in the sheer amount of diarrhea and toilet time and associated weakness/fatigue. I would advise that it is optimal to make sure you have no pressing obligations for 3 days 4 days 2 weeks or so at least to give adequate peace of mind and time to recover. I also factored in that due to finances and doctor changes I was off antibiotics for the first time in 3 years and I did stop all lyme supplements the day of. I assume it throws off your electrolyte balance way worse than a coffee enema. I would definitely be prepared to address this with some electrolyte pills or drink for after. By the end of the cleanse I had a significant headache which seemed to be due to caffeine withdrawal! I am happy I tried it but everyone must make their own decision! I read somewhere that you need to complete 3 or more in a row to accomplish anything since the stones "roll forward" so keep that in mind also. I will have to judge how I feel going forward (and will post update) to see the true worth over time

Thoughts/comments/questions welcome!

doors12[code]

Post Edited (doors12) : 8/19/2020 8:44:44 AM (GMT-6)

Thank you for the update and all the details everyone posted here.

Great, 8 days after cleanse i am seeing oil in urine, even a pudding skin like appearance this am, urinary frequency every 30 min or so, no pain but low grade fever tonight so isolating just in case and will call dr tomorrow...

Definitely making me question my decision given the pandemic, but part of me wonders if it is my body pushing out nasties...but i figure i would at least require a round of abx.

Oh boy

Doors12

Day 13: Wow, I am amazed at the amount of draining or of detox/herxing/chelating/whatever going on and coming out of my body!

The acute urinary symptoms are gone but my urine this morning was super dark so drinking lots of water. I woke up with what I would call moderate head pressure/headache after over 3.5 years of lyme treatment.

All systems are a go! I am having 2 or 3 formed bowel movements a day with what I continue to classify as fluke like debris, somewhat frequent urination, and lymph nodes in head stuck (tried to do homemade face lymphatic drainage and took an epsom bath with baking soda added)

I have to say, it is an incredible tool this flush. Just make sure you have the time scheduled to be some degree of a hot mess lol. I don't know exactly what's going on, my urine had a strong odor to it that reminded me of batteries or electronics as a kid, I know that's vague but it could have been an ammonia odor. Yesterday I smelled a variety of that odor in my stool as well - with some modification so that it smelled like sewer gas perhaps. So, I am not sure if it is die off or could be metals or what.

I also have to say that this has been bar-none the biggest flush I've ever had including my ill-fated "ride" on the colon hydrotherapy machine...oh man I took in so many gallons of water and it didn't want to come out! Anyway, how this simple liver flush cleanse set off this massive detox / herx / cleanse is beyond me but I think it deserves some serious consideration.

All the best,

Doors12

I've been wanting to try a liver flush it's much needed bt I gt scared. I have a liver cyst and I have shooting pains more like stabbing pains which the emergency room thought was acute pancreatitis and gallbladder attacks. I'm Angry because my bloodwork is normal yet if I eat any fatty food sends me curled up in a ball and can barely breath. I've been told liver cysts that are small can be caused by tapeworm bt a different type not the typical type. My doc said to check it out. I was prescribed albendazole a really and had this burning sensation increase in my stomach which I thought was die off for sure and I had an increase in anxiety. I wake up did lemon juice before eating and was able to have 3 bowel movements so no doubt I need liver cleanse I was told lemon juice. Idk about grapefruit juice with epsom salt because epsom salt doesn't even sound safe to ingest??

doors12 said...
Thank you all for the replies - I will add some notes now even though I am still foggy and recovering from a successful cleanse!

Overall the cleanse was surprisingly effective or thorough, in fact a true "cleanse!" Who would have thought?
After the grapefruit/olive oil drink I soon ended up expelling probably 80-100 small greenish or tan "stones." I didn't explore too much, but they were definitely not stool due to the green color and I did inspect one and it had structural integrity at least along the lines of a waxy or fatty substance. It did also appear to have something inside of it (Clark speculates broken down parasite) like it has layers. Quite an alarming or shocking experience for the uninitiated! I have pictures if the forum desires just let me know the best way to link it.

Here was my breakdown according to the times suggested in the Clark Cleanse (see recipe linked above by Deejavu)

2:00PM I made the mix - I also failed to make sure I took eating my bland food seriously or to insure I was properly hydrated going in. I did eat chips and salsa and a baked potato. If I did it again I would make sure to hydrate well the day before and prior to 2 and would perhaps eat a bit more.

6:00PM First drink of epsom - oh man drinking salt is bad - the volume isn't a lot which helps but it tastes like bitter death! Only 3/4 cup so not too much problem. Every food I ever enjoyed sounds great since I can't eat!

8:00PM Immediately after this second epsom dose, big time stomach gurgling, immediately had to go to bathroom and had a lot of watery diarrhea which did not expel any of the stones but did produce similar to a coffee enema though much more diarrhea volume, surprisingly so. I feel the instructions didn't let me know the diarreha would hid this soon - yeah definitely get the bedtime chores done! Ended up in the bathroom 2-3 times with large volume of diarrhea. Get any sleep supplements ready

10:00PM Starting to feel fatigue from diarrhea, definitely recommend taking the grapefruit/olive oil mix to the bedroom (drink it standing up though). Expect to feel the imminent urge to expel whilst making said concoction! Important to ready to lay still in bed for the 20 minutes and go to sleep. I had some awakening in the night with some gurgling, but didn't have to get up for bathroom

9AM next day: woke up with strong diarrhea, expelled 20-50 green "stones" and quite a bit of other material, quite a bit of liquid volume expelled again.

10AM next day: Expelled even more stones to total about 100 estimated, volume of them reduced this time and next. Passing other material, "chaff" like similar to coffee enema stuff. Took first AM dose of epsom, more diarrhea
11AM: passing more diarrhea without stones
12PM: Took second and final epsom dose
1:30PM: Ate some saltine crackers and apple juice, stomach fragile, pounding headache (from lack of caffeine)
2:00PM two cups of coffee killed the headache, had another diarrhea session

7:00PM I feel a bit weak. I took some electrolyte pills and drinking water. I feel like I have been cleansed but weak in a way simliar to colonoscopy recovery. I am amazed at what came out of my body and look forward to seeing what results I feel going forward!

3rd day: Update: Wow, I actually had three or so episodes of cleansing diarrhea here on the third day, eventually tapering off towards mid-afternoon! Still some lingering digestive sensitivity through the 4th day (nothing major, just don't feel like eating anything spicy still) I still had some trouble falling to sleep last night, I ended up taking two more L-ornithine as I felt I was overly alert possibly due to more ammonia, it seemed to help again. Overall I am starting to feel like I did acheive an energy boost from the cleanse.


Additional notes: Make sure you are well hydrated going in to the cleanse and also that you take advantage of eating the bland foods available prior to the start of the cleanse. Try to wake up early the second day, like 6AM so that your first morning epsom dose occurs early - mine didn't (I slept in) and I was fasting for about 24 hours total. I also recommend taking the L-ornithine for sleep, I took 6 and slept well. I would advise that the decision whether and when to do the cleanse is a significant one - in terms of the trauma or shock to the system- it was a bit worse than colonoscopy prep, not in terms of the difficulty to drink (that wasn't too bad just super bitter with epsom) but in the sheer amount of diarrhea and toilet time and associated weakness/fatigue. I would advise that it is optimal to make sure you have no pressing obligations for 3 days 4 days 2 weeks or so at least to give adequate peace of mind and time to recover. I also factored in that due to finances and doctor changes I was off antibiotics for the first time in 3 years and I did stop all lyme supplements the day of. I assume it throws off your electrolyte balance way worse than a coffee enema. I would definitely be prepared to address this with some electrolyte pills or drink for after. By the end of the cleanse I had a significant headache which seemed to be due to caffeine withdrawal! I am happy I tried it but everyone must make their own decision! I read somewhere that you need to complete 3 or more in a row to accomplish anything since the stones "roll forward" so keep that in mind also. I will have to judge how I feel going forward (and will post update) to see the true worth over time

Thoughts/comments/questions welcome!

doors12[code]

I didn't mean to laugh bt the way u said your stomach was gurgling and had to go to the bathroom because I've had a colonoscopy prep and I literally almost didn't make it to the bathroom as I was on the toilet for few hrs on and off. I heard you can do lemon juice fresh squeezed instead of grapefruit wt do you think, have u heard of this??and due to salt stimulating the stomach to move the bowels yes that'll happen . Did drinking the epsom salt have anymore bad effects that u noticed?

Blakeleysmom said...
Doors 12,
How are you feeling now after a few months post-cleanse? Just wondered if you could tell a big difference in your symptoms.
We are considering beginning a parasite cleanse for my daughter. This thread was interesting as we are trying to find out what to expect as far as herxing with an herbal parasite cleanse.

I have been getting much stronger since the day that I did the liver flush! I had symptoms as I describe above, including stinky urine and even a fever, which I thought at the time could have been a UTI, however it now would seem to me that it was due to the cleansing effects! My significant other and I believe that the liver cleanse marked the beginning of my improvement. I am due for a big update post here, but ever since the liver cleanse I have began to get much stronger, and also I seemed to have discovered a b1-thiamine deficiency and treating this in combination with my compound heterozygous MTHFR with methylfolate/methylcobalamin seemed to have really given me a massive energy and probably immune boost at a cellular level! I have to post on this here later as it is massive news but unfortunately my so was just diagnosed with cancer.

Hulda Clark liver cleanse information is available by searching google, as well as the antiparasitic herb regimen she suggests. I discovered the information by buying her book on amazon "the cure for all diseases"

I have had only good effects since the initial side effects subsided probably 3 or 4 weeks after the cleanse.

Happy new year and God bless


Doors12

Doors, curious how youre doin now? Have you done any more flushes or just the one? Also, have you considered trying Mimosa Pudica for the parasties?

I'm dealing with GI issues that I want to put an end to once and for all, and came across your thread.

Also, does anyone know how the liver flush compares to a coffee enema? Do they do the same thing?

Thanks Garzie! So are you saying the liver flush removes toxins as well (and even better than the coffee enema), or it’s just a way to flush the bile and stones?

And did you find that it had any benefits on your symptoms and inflammation, or was just a way to flush dem stones?

Also how’s the ivermectin trial going?

"this hard stone fizzed in vinegar signifying it was likely calcium carbonate"

Haha excellent work Garzie

doors12 said...
I have been speaking of making a thread on the topic of liver flush and/or (suspected) liver fluke parasites for a long time. I had responded to another user Jabele's liver flush post quite some time ago and discussed making another thread. Well it is finally time.

I was initally surprised years ago at the start of my lyme treatment with the doc that a good amount of things he put me on had anti-parasitic properties. I was surprised when he put me on Alinia, and even more surprised when I had a MAJOR herx and parasite die-off from it (I suspect multiple types)!

Well I have also long seen strange items in the stool and have a history of GI symptoms. Most of the time I notice round or oblong particles with a bowel movement, suspicious because of the consistency of their apperance. In the past I also consistently passed the debris that many refer to as "rolled up tomato skin." Also, I have noticed corresponding liver "fullness" or shooting pain sensations. I have also noticed my tendency to high ammonia (I also have the CBS mutation) and how in those times when I have die-off, taking L-ornithine helps to slow my racing thoughts and often "flip the switch" to off allowing me to sleep.

When you read online about liver fluke, for one, you'll notice an increasing amount of information available from sources like the CDC etc. Several years ago it looked like a very remote possiblity in the USA based on internet searching but now there are many more articles.

I have been looking at a book by Hulda Clark "The Cure for All Diseases" and she discusses a parasite killing program containing black walnut, wormwood and cloves, taking these for about 14 days and then following that with a liver flush using a recipe of grapefruit juice, olive oil, and epsom salt which is provided in the book.

I have taken the above antiparasitic herbal before but had been off of it for a long while. Well on day 5 of this round of the parasite killing herbs above I started noticing what I feel are the liver flukes in bowel movements and began having several more bowel movements per day than usual. I also noticed an increase in ammonia (die off) and sensations in the location of my liver.

I also managed to get one coffee enema done which was very productive -like back when I first did them- and I hope to do another tonight.

Well, tomorrow would be the day for me to do the liver flush. I have never done one before so I am a little hesitant. But at this point, it is clear that I have something mucking up my liver. Hulda Clark's book suspects that there are gallstones forming around dead parasitic material, plugging up the bile ducts in the liver.

I have off-and-on wondered how many of my symptoms are actually caused by this liver fluke (and possibly not lyme and coinfection?). I know already that they contribute to the ammonia which probably causes me something akin to hepatic encephalopathy, and insomnia as well as cognitive issues.

Well, I will report back on how things go. I might have to delay the liver flush by a few days depending on how confident I feel that I have been on the parasite killing protocol long enough.

Please feel free to post any thoughts. I've noticed several comments here and there on this board over the years regarding liver flukes.

Why didnt you try black/green walnut hull, clove, and wormwood? I chatted with this detox doc and also heard and saw many reviews saying this is used as a laraakte cleanse bt also detoxes liver /lymphatic system and best part in the reviews said they all had no herx if any when die off occurred