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Posted 10/10/2020 1:18 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Mark!

I'd like to take DMSA again for known lead exposure but my intestines are too messed up from getting half taken out several months ago. Hopefully sometime soon.

Post Edited (skinny_joe) : 10/9/2020 7:24:11 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/10/2020 1:43 AM (GMT 0)

Mark F said...
So I'll comment on this a bit but bear in mind this is my perspective. Doesn't mean I'm right and not looking to get into a debate. Just the way the group thinks.

Taking the test in the first place. When I asked if needed they said it was not but also had helpful information. Also some people just wont start a protocol especially if there is a prerequisite of extensive dental work without some proof. As to the test itself they view the bottom portion for level of mineral derangement. Its based on statistical probability of sequestered mercury.So if your close to 1 rule, while you may not have a 98.99% probability there is lower but significant probability that you are being impacted by mercury.. The top is more blood level. Also the real proof is your reaction to a Chelator. Most people have some mercury load unless you've never eaten tuna or had a amalgam or a vaccine. However Ive see people go to the max doses within weeks with little reaction.. It is a nero toxin so there no harm in getting out what little you may have. Also my test showed I had lead and arsenic. I know exactly where I got both but never thought is was in my body to that degree 45 years later. Chelating with DMSA, which removes lead, as been a game changer. Also low lithium is a indication of mercury poisoning. So if your close with other indicators its worth a try.

As to the cult. Its' pretty explainable. They have a soup to nuts manual that when followed works for many. There's no deviation on certain things. Supplements and herbs that are considered toxic are called out. Reactions do happen when chelating and they need to be addressed. People jump in a recommend all kind of things some are trolls selling things. Its not a general discussion group. So anyways so that's my take..

Also as to mercury safety.. Looks like the FDA is finally catching up.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-issues-recommendations-certain-high-risk-groups-regarding-mercury-containing-dental-amalgam?etype=emailblastcontent&eid=4556dbf9-ab9e-4e83-b0e1-e3959583d371&fbclid=iwar13lsocy61yqzuc036ddkiudq-9kjqmmgmdhag2pmodla_78qumhqpuuqs

Interesting that FDA is changing their tune, that’s good news. I do believe mercury is a problem for some people, I just wish they were more open to discussion in that group. But I appreciate your thoughts.

I have a question for ya Mark that I’ve always wondered. You mention that pretty much everyone has some mercury exposure, which makes sense. I also know that in ACC they advocate starting *extremely* low with chelators, like 1-5mg. This is something they pound the table on, as it could cause bad side effects. I also noticed that in my Nerve Renew there’s something like 300mg of ALA. This is a supplement 10s of thousands of people, already sick people mind you, take with no adverse effects. Shouldn’t more people have trouble w ALA if mercury is so widespread and ALA is such a strong chelator? Also, does the fact that I don’t seem to react to it mean that I don’t have a mercury problem? I’m not challenging you because it’s clearly helped you, I’m just honestly curious. Even as I was doing the whole andy cutler thing and getting my amalgams removed in the back if my mind i remembered taking 600mg ALA and not noticing anything and wondering what 5mg would do. I do have some 2.5mg DMSA here I never took and you do have me a bit curious to try it. What you said about Lithium piqued my interest as my lithium hair levels were bottom percentile.


Skinny Joe, you mind sharing your experience w DMSA? You took how much how often for how long? And what did you notice? Side effects? Any positive results.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 10/9/2020 9:15:21 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/10/2020 3:41 AM (GMT 0)
So I’ll try as best I can.

High dose ALA .. so it has a 1/2 life of 3 hrs and if your a fast metabolizer, it could be closer to 2 hrs. So that says it’s processed and your blood level is close to zero in 4-6 hrs. What mercury you do grab is going to drop and it takes 12 to 18 hrs for me to feel a redistribution effect. If you have one with that short of time it could be in the form of what’s called a herx, flair, bad day, bad few hrs., histamine response, diarrhea, anxiety flair, stronger tinnitus, headache, adrenal fatigue, or anyone of the symptoms usually talked about on these blogs. So it’s really hard to say that your not getting a reaction since the symptoms are pretty much the same as the chronic illnesses.

So with lower dose every 3 hrs your blood level remains constant and you move mercury a lot farther then is was so when it finally drops.

Why the small doses , 1-5 is for serious illnesses/ bed-bound, working people can start as high as 25 mg. I started out a 5 and was ok. Why people can’t tolerate the lower doses, it’s suspected that that is more a chemical reaction/general chemical sensitivity versus actual chelation reaction. Anyone that can’t tolerate the core 4 is likely to be in this category. I had it a bit but used my mass cell meds for my LLMD to suppress the reaction.

Why you didn’t feel anything, can not say I’ve read where it takes 100 mg before some people feel anything.

As to your hairiest, I’ll take a look in the AM.
Posted 10/10/2020 12:06 PM (GMT 0)

dcd2103 said...


Skinny Joe, you mind sharing your experience w DMSA? You took how much how often for how long? And what did you notice? Side effects? Any positive results.

I didnt really notice anything with DMSA or ALA. With DMSA I started at 12.5mg and did 3 rounds at that then went up to 25mg for a couple rounds with ALA mixed in. I probably did 15 rounds all together some ALA alone come with ALA/DMSA and some just DMSA. I didnt notice anything one way or another. I stopped because I had multiple surgeries on my appendix and colon. My GI cant handle supplements right now somedays it cant handle food it seems like. I may restart in the future I dont know. My main symptoms have always been back pain and pain in my pelvis both of which have subsided considerably since I had a tumor removed.

I have known lead exposure I used to smelt lead fishing weights on the kitchen stove as a teen. Although I did put a fan in the window to get the fumes out I cringe just thinking about it now.
Posted 10/10/2020 1:33 PM (GMT 0)
I dont see the hair test. I thought I saw it last night. I'm a little uncomfortable trying to interpret it but ill give the basics a try.
Posted 10/10/2020 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
hair test https://ibb.co/bmd1qdf
Posted 10/10/2020 9:55 PM (GMT 0)
Yes your meeting 2 rules for mineral derangement as near as I can tell. 3&4 plus low lithium. However the probability formula is more difficult then I thought so not even got to try. Also I'd double check on the FB site for their input.
Posted 10/11/2020 5:58 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks mark. I had an illness going back to as long as i can remember, there was always something wrong. Between fatigue, ocd, a general sense ill-being, etc. I also had a mouth full of metal since i was about 5. I had first thought maybe i contracted lyme as a kid. Then I went down the amalgam route, but like i mentioned that group turned me off. Then i've considered the whole c-section/microbiome link. At the end of the day I may never know. But what always piques my interest about amalgam illness is the fact that 1.) as you have mentined, low lithium is a scientifically proven link to metals, and mine tested bottom percentile. 2.) Mercury is linked to excess glutamate, and I used to get vestibular migraines and head shocks that was diagnosed by the headache institute of new york as seizure-like migraines due to glutamate excess.

That combined w/ my weird hair test is enough that you've got me thinking about it again. Like i said, i've got an autoimmune disease, that much i know, thats whats causing my symptoms...but what preceeded the autoimmune disease, the disequilibrium which casued it, maybe youre right, maybe mercury contributed.

I have some livingsupplements ALA and DMPS here. I have 5mg ALA and 2.5mg DMPS. Its been 8m since i had my amalgams removed. I just started a round of chelation, first ever, yesterday afternoon just to see how i feel (5mg ala every 3hrs + 2.5mg dmps every 6hrs). Nothing yet, which is probably a good thing. I may continue on w/ it for a few rounds and see how i do.

i dont want to join the ACC group again because as i said, that group gives me weird vibes, it bothers me. But i was curious what you thought about dosing. Are those just too low?

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 10/11/2020 12:02:14 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/11/2020 7:12 PM (GMT 0)
Hey no issue on the FB group.. Its just a Support group however I could not have gotten as good of results without the confirmation. .. However I would defiantly get the Mercury Detox Manual. You need to support yourself properly when chelating.

3 big Rules you cannot ignore.

1. Absolutely do not take ALA, DMSA. or DMPS unless you are absolutely sure you have no amalgam in your mouth. EVEN SPECKS. You will feel better at first but take a nose dive several months later.Bad really bad. Better not to start. This is where the groups help. They have volunteer dentist to double check your xrays.

2. Be sure to Chelate in low dose and on the 1/2 life schedule.

3. Chelate for a minimum of 63 hrs and be sure to take a 72 hr break between rounds. You will crash your adrenals. And you need Adrenal support regardless.

The only reason I, telling you all this is you mentioned you already started. I actually regret now ever bringing the subject up on these outside groups. I wont do it again, too much risk, There is so much you need to know to chelate properly. Why not try the Web Site grou? There are more open to vaccine discussions with FB censorship. You really cant do this alone. Post your symtom. People will get yoru pointed int he right direction on what to take. No selling, it's all Iherb and Amazon stuff.



Good Luck. [url]https://andy-cutler-chelation.com/[url]
Posted 10/11/2020 7:31 PM (GMT 0)

Mark F said...
Hey no issue on the FB group.. Its just a Support group however I could not have gotten as good of results without the confirmation. .. However I would defiantly get the Mercury Detox Manual. You need to support yourself properly when chelating.

3 big Rules you cannot ignore.

1. Absolutely do not take ALA, DMSA. or DMPS unless you are absolutely sure you have no amalgam in your mouth. EVEN SPECKS. You will feel better at first but take a nose dive several months later.Bad really bad. Better not to start. This is where the groups help. They have volunteer dentist to double check your xrays.

2. Be sure to Chelate in low dose and on the 1/2 life schedule.

3. Chelate for a minimum of 63 hrs and be sure to take a 72 hr break between rounds. You will crash your adrenals. And you need Adrenal support regardless.

The only reason I, telling you all this is you mentioned you already started. I actually regret now ever bringing the subject up on these outside groups. I wont do it again, too much risk, There is so much you need to know to chelate properly. Why not try the Web Site grou? There are more open to vaccine discussions with FB censorship. You really cant do this alone. Post your symtom. People will get yoru pointed int he right direction on what to take. No selling, it's all Iherb and Amazon stuff.



Good Luck. [url]https://andy-cutler-chelation.com/[url]

Well i spent months and months in that group. I read all about the specs, etc. The reason i never went ahead w/ it was I have a crown that i'm like 99% sure there's nothing under there, but i cant be 100% sure. It's zirconium, you cant get it off, and you cant xray through it I've tried both. This is why i never went forward w/ chelation last time. But I was figuring i could try chelation and if there was something under there, i'd feel worse? but youre saying that wont happen for months? hmm, maybe i will back off. this f%@#$@#$% crown

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 10/11/2020 1:37:39 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/11/2020 7:51 PM (GMT 0)
I hear you. took off 2 perfectly good ones. And the new ones are not as good.

However the groups reports up to 40% of the pulled ones have amalgam under.

Yes so in many cases people with Specks report good results at first.. Also able to tolerate higher doses and or ramp up quicker.. The yes in many cases months later you start to feel the effects.

The other is I had a typical dump in which you feel pretty crappy about 6 months in. Even after all my speck checks the dump can play with your head. I drove 12 hrs and stayed over night to see a recommend dentist.

So yes not worth taking the chance. If you do start to feel crappy, you wont know if its a speck or just the dump. One is bad and the other is good.
Posted 10/11/2020 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
You mind my asking mark, what are your symtoms originally that lead you to amalgam sickness and what were the symptoms of your dump?
Posted 10/12/2020 12:59 AM (GMT 0)
So it wasn’t one but a series of events. It was like a puzzle that finally made sense. I’ll try to summarize.

I was a ADHD kid before that was a thing. Led to a lot of issues growing up. Was able to land a Tech job but something was never quite right. Had weird bouts of anxiety at times.

In my late thirties, I has a heath crash hospitalized for a stress heart issue and turnout to also be anxiety however it took years to go away. I had meds in my pocket for 5 years.

Next 15 years I had good and bad years. I’d get really motivated and get healthy and then for years it was my unhealthy years. Ate bad, drank too much, etc.

In 2017 I went to India and when I got back i noticed I was having bouts of rage. I couldn’t control my anger. 4 weeks later I was working in my yard , really physically demanding and hot. I then thought what i had was a stroke. Got really dizzy, brain fog, and the fatigue set it. A week later after I was bedridden and my BP spiked to 220/110. I week in the hospital to control my blood pressure. When they discharged me it was like I aged 30 years in 1 week. Saw every specialist any they could find nothing. So I thought it was Lyme.

After a year with Lyme Treatment had a reaction to a parasite protocol. That lee me to Heavy Metal which led me to Andy Cutlers Radio podcast about amalgams and vaccines and mercury poisoning. I read his Amalgam Illness book and the section on what mercury does to you was like reading my biography and could connect all the dots.

* Only had 2 or 3 vaccines in may early life. Had I been born today I would be autistic.

* Amalgams in as a teenager just made me more manic,

* Just prior to my first crash I had all my amalgams replaced with compost. And eager dentist who was also a relative. At least 8:unsafely removed. But left a little behind.

* Just prior to my trip to India I was talked into getting all my travel immunizations. I had combo vaccines that still has Thimerosal. Mercury.

So both my heath crashes were right after 2 big mercury exposures. And based on my early childhood experience it’s proven, although not accepted those behavioral traits are linked to mercury.

My symptoms are too long to list, see my Horowitz scores below.

Hope this helps.

Post Edited (Mark F) : 10/11/2020 7:20:53 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/12/2020 1:10 AM (GMT 0)
Dump is not as bad as your worst periods prior. Same symptoms. You get better for a bit then your body excretes your intercellular mercy and you feel like crap for about 6 months. The worst is about 2 week. Some don’t get it at all. However not all the time. It’s like a roller coaster,
Posted 10/12/2020 1:14 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks mark, very helpful

And one more thing, the dump you’re referring to. This is 6m after last known exposure (so for me would be 6m ago when I had my amalgams out), or 6m after starting chelation?
Posted 10/12/2020 1:34 AM (GMT 0)
I’ve read it often takes chelation to trigger it. Which would make sense. I recall reading it takes 50 years to detox mercury naturally. So you’d really need your extracellular mercury to be cleared first.
Posted 10/16/2020 11:55 PM (GMT 0)

dcd2103 said...
Awesome very helpful thanks!

I learned the hard way about lack of electrolytes when I did my 5 day water only fast and ended up w a huge back spasm, so appreciate the heads up

wow I tried a water fast only 1st day and gt sooo nauseas thought I was going to die along with back/ kidney pain
Posted 10/16/2020 11:59 PM (GMT 0)
hours 18-36 are rough. Once you wake up on the third day it’s much easier
Posted 10/17/2020 12:02 AM (GMT 0)

Mark F said...
Hey no issue on the FB group.. Its just a Support group however I could not have gotten as good of results without the confirmation. .. However I would defiantly get the Mercury Detox Manual. You need to support yourself properly when chelating.

3 big Rules you cannot ignore.

1. Absolutely do not take ALA, DMSA. or DMPS unless you are absolutely sure you have no amalgam in your mouth. EVEN SPECKS. You will feel better at first but take a nose dive several months later.Bad really bad. Better not to start. This is where the groups help. They have volunteer dentist to double check your xrays.

2. Be sure to Chelate in low dose and on the 1/2 life schedule.

3. Chelate for a minimum of 63 hrs and be sure to take a 72 hr break between rounds. You will crash your adrenals. And you need Adrenal support regardless.

The only reason I, telling you all this is you mentioned you already started. I actually regret now ever bringing the subject up on these outside groups. I wont do it again, too much risk, There is so much you need to know to chelate properly. Why not try the Web Site grou? There are more open to vaccine discussions with FB censorship. You really cant do this alone. Post your symtom. People will get yoru pointed int he right direction on what to take. No selling, it's all Iherb and Amazon stuff.



Good Luck. [url]https://andy-cutler-chelation.com/[url]

I'm going to check this website out as well thanks
Posted 1/2/2022 9:39 PM (GMT 0)
So I noticed in a couple of these postings that people reported using Alka-Seltzer gold too much caused an imbalance in their electrolytes leading to a hospital visit.
Does anybody know the threshold of Alka-Seltzer gold that most people should not go over.
Like what's the dosage of this and is the dosage spread out over the course of a day or is it every other day etc.

Also what specific electrolyte does this cause an imbalance with if anybody was hospitalized what they were they corrected with? Thanks
Posted 1/3/2022 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
I hear of people taking numerous packets of AKG per day with no problems, so I imagine the people whose electrolytes were knocked out of whack (me!) are especially sensitive to such things, probably due to something like dysautonomia (me!) or kidney function abnormalities. I took three packets in a day when I experienced issues, which for most people would be a totally fine dose.

The electrolyte that was high for me was potassium, and it was corrected relatively quickly with normal saline IVs. If it had happened again, I would have skipped the hospital visit and eaten some salt. At the time, I didn't realize what was happening and freaked out when my heart rate was 155 while lying down! The hospital didn't figure this out, by the way, I did. (Not that I'm bitter. ;) ) They just thought I was having a panic attack and it took me hours to convince them to do blood work.
Posted 1/3/2022 1:10 PM (GMT 0)
there is a later discussion here - based on a paper that reported activation of anti-inflammatory pathways via the Vagus nerve after taking bicarbonate between meals

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4265346

it looks like this is the main immune modulating function
there may also be some rebound of stomach acid after initial neutralisation - that could then help digestion and esp. breakdown of proteins - which can make the gut less reactive ( less antigens)

i have been doing it daily for a while now - 2-3months - but using 2.3g of potassium bicarbonate ( its the bicarbonate that seems to drive the effect ) rather than sodium bicarbonate - as i didn't want to overdo my sodium intake - which is already high from adjusting to ketogenic diet. the potassium is actually a bonus. seems to help a little - maybe make my overall symptoms a little better.

Post Edited (Garzie) : 1/3/2022 6:27:03 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/4/2022 7:36 AM (GMT 0)
For those who can't buy alka seltzer gold (it's hard to find sometimes):

How to make your own Alka-Seltzer Gold.

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4209194
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