COVID

skinny_joe said...


Ah yes the infamous facebook graphic. That has been debunked numerous times. The CDC even stated its death counts were in flux for 2020 as they are not reported in real time. In one post you decry facebook and in another talk about their graphic.

Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

Which is why I asked how that could be. It just didn't seem logical.

Post Edited (Georgia Hunter) : 10/20/2020 6:33:44 AM (GMT-6)

ChristianWithLyme said...


Not that we should be irresponsible, but people HAVE to get Covid. There is no other viable option.

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why though?

why not just take precautions and wait for the vax to come out?

Dr Atals is a Trump stooge who happens to be a radiologist and knows about as much about pandemics are you and me.

They couldn't find an actual pandemic expert to sell out his or her entire profession so they had to find some random radiologist with ZERO experience dealing with virology or pandemics to be the mouthppiece of the white house.

Extremely sad. So yeah I don't take anything he says seriously

A vax at 50% will essentially stop the pandemic

Yes people will still die but hospitals will no longer be overwhelmed and life will go back to normal mostly

And the Ox vax may actually be more effective than 50%

as for an RNA vax, there is only one covid vax candidate that is RNA, the rest are not.

CDC Report: Covid has left about 285,000 more people dead in U.S. than would be expected in a typical year; 2/3 from Covid, the rest from other causes. For 25- to 44-year-olds, excess death rate is up 26.5% , the largest change for any age group

potsnpans said...

Well this sheds some light on why slowing transmission would not be very important to you. Improving our immune systems more generally is in everyone's interest of course, but if you were to adopt Lapis's outlook on vaccines, would that move the needle at all for you on masks?
Regarding the health of the mask wearer, are you maintaining your belief that masks induce hypoxia and hypercapnia?
Have you found any qualified source that supports the idea of masks promoting a build up of virus in the nasal passages?

Yes even with a vaccine the virus is essentially here to stay. It will continue to mutate most likely becoming less dangerous over time.

Lapis' view on vaccines is not correct but I wish it was. Just like the influenza vaccine, the overall efficacy will not be there for a COVID vaccine. The objective of the current vaccine trials is to reduce the symptoms in a person who contracts SARS-Co2. The objective of the trials is not even to reduce the transmission. They have intentionally set the bar low so they can reach it.

SARS-Co2 is about 4 times more infectious than influenza. We know that the influenza vaccine reduces about 1 case of flu per 100 vaccinations. If we extrapolate that out for SARS-Co2, then the vaccine would stop 4 cases per 100 vaccinations if it has the same efficacy as the influenza vaccine. On a normal year, about 8 out of 100 people get influenza. That would mean about 32 out of 100 get COVID. If we stop 4 cases, then 28 people per 100 still get it. This is just using logic as I have not seen this out there anywhere. The key is to prevent deaths and that is now happening at a much higher rate.

I see people every week that have COVID and are not getting treated properly. Hopefully, the physicians will continue to get educated on what is happening and the death rate continues to drop.

I believe I posted an earlier link to viruses in the nasal passages.

The science on Vit D is strong. Its the best thing you can take as a prophylaxis against covid

I have never seen any hard science on NAC or Gluta though

Question for the U.S. residents.

Does the governor of each State make the decisions on covid “rules” ie - are they the one who everyone looks to for the current updates.. restrictions... etc?

Just curious how it goes down there.

Or does the Health Officer make decisions.. and has a big role - like here in B.C. Canada?

Georgia Hunter said...
I am not the only one who is thinking this way.

https://www.technocracy.news/german-neurologist-on-face-masks-oxygen-deprivation-causes-permanent-neurological-damage/?fbclid=iwar2lbkd-84d3bjyx959scttdzzovasvuxwnq2ngab7pkoxgo1l0elpxm-ak

It would be more convincing if her opinion was isolated from the last few paragraphs. Sounds like she thinks there's a wider conspiracy of which masks are a part of.. might be influencing her comments somehow.

When I searched the doctor's name 8 out of the top 10 search results were various websites with this same transcript. I'll bet this is all over social media.. To me this is indicative of the larger problem regarding information about covid-19: some opinions are getting way too much "oxygen" .. I think this one doctor's comments are having much more of an influence than is warranted. The problem isn't censorship as some would like to believe.. not with covid-19 anyway. Transcript (translated from German) says:

"There are nerve cells, for example in the hippocampus, that can’t be longer than three minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive"

A dip in blood oxygen would not indicate an absence of oxygen in nerve/brain tissue, right? ..and for 3 minutes?? "Fear mongering" has become a very tired accusation as of late, but it might be applicable here. She goes on talking about effects of "oxygen deprivation" (not hypoxia) but fails to link any of it to mask wearing.. only mentions "rebreathing your own exhaled air" as an assumption (however miniscule that amount might be with a cloth/surgical mask).

Pulse oximeters are rather cheap and ubiquitous these days.. think that if cloth/surgical masks were causing oxygen levels to drop below 95% it would be obvious by now.. anecdotes would be coming from everywhere. I'm tempted to buy one so I can check myself after wandering around the grocery store.. would be surprised if there is any dip at all. Anyway, I found these studies:

"Effect of Face Masks on Gas Exchange in Healthy Persons and Patients with COPD"

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1513/annalsats.202007-812rl

"Absence of consequential changes in physiological, thermal and subjective responses from wearing a surgical mask"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22326638/

Yet the doctor predicts "..in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially". If we are to believe masks cause oxygen deprivation leading to dementia, shouldn't former surgeons already be suffering disproportionately? ..and what about olympic athletes who train at high altitudes? They really are depriving themselves of some amount of oxygen. Are their brains ok?

My kids are going back to school next week. They're going to have "mask breaks" throughout the day. It sure would be nice if they didn't have to wear them at all and could see each other's faces, etc.. however, I remain unconvinced that masks are at all damaging to their physical health.

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 10/25/2020 3:50:43 PM (GMT-6)

Actually, the US national government did a lot - ventilators (way more than needed), PPE, testing, recommendations for guidelines, task force meetings nearly every day for awhile, updates, ship sent to NY that was hardly used, building extra hospital space, Javed center (hardly used I believe), therapeutics, etc. There were even blue governors praising Trump.

Local guidelines and enforcement were mostly left up to state governors, health commissioners, etc. as each state has different circumstances and varies in Covid threat.

The US does have a constitution, and there have been multiple cases where the courts are overturning governor mandates due to them being unconstitutional.

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 10/26/2020 10:15:07 AM (GMT-6)

ChristianWithLyme said...
Since we've talked about Dr. Zelenko's study before:

"COVID-19 outpatients – early risk-stratified treatment with zinc plus low dose hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: a retrospective case series study"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/s0924857920304258

Yet another terrible study

No control group? Or rather a hypothetical control group? Not controlled for age which is the most critical aspect here?

Its literally worthless. I mean the fact he didn't control for age is borderline fraudulent.

Girlie....😀thanks for sharing that!!!