Not taking COVID vaccine

WVMike: The infertility rumor seems to have been started by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg (who has been very wrong in the past on pandemic related issues) and Dr. Michael Yeadon (who worked for Pfizer 9 years ago). In a letter to the European Medicines Agency they wrote that spike proteins contain syncytin-1, a protein that is used for placental development in mammals...

So they're ringing the alarm because if the vax causes us to make antibodies to the spike protein, how do we know antibodies won't also attack syncytin-1, inhibiting placental development?

See here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/10/blog-posting/no-pfizers-head-research-didnt-say-covid-19-vaccin/

"Brent Stockwell, a professor studying disease networks and chemical and biological tools at Columbia University, told us that the claim that the COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility isn’t true.

...if the claims in the blog post were accurate, that would mean that pregnant women who catch COVID-19 would also become infertile, he said. No increased infertility or pregnancy loss has been observed in women with COVID-19.

"Any hint of similarity between syncytin-1 and the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (which is used as part of the vaccine) is extremely remote," he said. "There are hardly any parts of the two proteins that are even vaguely similar, and they are far more distinct than would be needed for cross-reactivity of immune responses."

In short, he said there’s no chance that the COVID-19 vaccine would train the immune system to accidentally recognize and fight syncytin-1."

The rumor gets traction however because, as UK regulatory agency notes “Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy,”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. warns: Don’t take a COVID-19 vaccine under any circumstances
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-10-robert-kennedy-jr-dont-take-covid19-vaccine.html

If you have Lyme disease, think twice about getting this vaccine. One bioweapon is enough for our bodies to deal with. Introducing another bioweapon into our fragile bodies is not a good road to travel. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Regarding the use of human cell strains in vaccine development, I'm a little familiar with this topic. Here's one link that provides some background:

Human Cell Strains in Vaccine Development
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development

There's also the "References" section of the following Wikipedia article:

Use of Fetal Tissue in Vaccine Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development

WV Mike said...
"Let's try to think with our brains and not rely on others telling us what is truth or not"

This does not sit well with me. Feels quite rude and condescending. Maybe I'm taking it t wrong?

People who can't rely on facts and evidence instead rely on insults.

Around 42:00 he starts talking about the dangers of the vaccines:
https://www.brighteon.com/995eb6dd-398e-4cb1-876f-af3dd5954e29

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/verify/will-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-infertility-in-women/531-3cb5340a-b3d0-4224-8a52-cfb24e9984a9

This article talks about the origin of the infertility claim and at the end gives pfizer's response.

gfields said...
Yes, they are using a large number of people for trials. However, they are not reporting everyone's outcomes. They're cherry picking which individuals they want to include in their final report to show a certain outcome. That's the problem. Everyone who has a great outcome and does not get sick from the vaccine ends up in the final report. Those that get sick and a die, well, they don't end up in the final report.

Many people had cancer and other diseases inadvertently cured by the vaccine.. but they can't put it in the report due to regulatory purposes. Sure I can say this without evidence because "freedom of speech" right.. but see how ridiculous our discussion can get? We need to have standards.

isitlyme said...
Again, about the Pfizer vaccine, it was revealed by Pfizer that 4 volunteers from the trials vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine developed facial paralysis (Facial Palsy). But the most of all concerns is that on the same trials, 6 volunteers from the vaccine group died.. Now, this is a red flag for me.

Please post links! The only article I could find about the deaths was the one below that says 4 IN THE PLACEBO GROUP DIED and only 2 in vax group.. using this data it's easier to make the argument that the placebo (no vax) kills rather than the vax.

http://www.radiohc.cu/en/noticias/internacionales/241876-united-states-reports-six-volunteers-died-during-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-clinical-trial

Read this entire article to ease your mind about bells palsy and Pfizer vax:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9030943/four-volunteers-got-pfizers-vaccine-developed-bells-palsy.html

IMO, we're all getting the vaccine if you want to live a normal life. Airlines will require it to fly, sporting events and concerts will require it to enter. Depending on profession, some workplaces will certainly do the same. I can certainly understand not wanting to be first - I don't want to be either - but I'll eventually get it, and so will most here unless you want to live in a bubble...just my two cents.

isitlyme said...
Ok, the article i saw mentioned all the deaths without differentiating between placebo and vaccine. Either way, still two deaths on the vaccine group.

This is essentially meaningless when the placebo group has 4 deaths.

isitlyme said...
In Astrazeneca zero, nada, none. On the article you provided says: "FDA denies that the temporary facial paralysis was caused by the shot..". Of course they deny, why would they say it could be a possible cause in susceptible people? It would raise alarm and it would cause people not to take the vaccine, both FDA and PFIZER dont want that. Deaths and facial paralysis = red flags.

Facial paralysis does not equal red flags. I was hoping you would read the entire article... In the headline it says “FDA denys...” but in the body it says “Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators said there wasn't any clear way that the vaccine caused Bell's palsy, but warned that doctors should watch for the alarming side effect and Pfizer should continue to keep tab on how many people it strikes.”

“(frequency of bells palsy in the trial) is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time, but they will keep a close watch on future cases.“

“The four cases of Bell's palsy were the only side effect that the FDA saw as 'imbalanced' with more occurring in the vaccine group than the placebo group”

“As made plain by its name, doctors don't know exactly what causes it.
It can strike at any age, and drag on for weeks, but almost always resolves on its own over weeks or months, so there aren't any particular treatments.
Each year, about 40,000 people in the US develop Bell's palsy.
Put another way, about one in every 60 to 70 people will suddenly find their face paralyzed at least once over the course of their lifetimes.
There are some patterns to who tends to get Bell's palsy. It's more common in pregnant women, especially during their third trimester, or shortly after birth. People with diabetes are also more prone to Bell's.
Having an upper respiratory infection, like the cold or the flu is also a risk factor.
As a respiratory infection, it's possible that COVID-19 itself could be a risk factor for Bell's palsy. Facial palsy was reported in three Brazilian COVID-19 patients, at least one person in China, a pregnant woman in Portugal, and in a number of Indian patients.”

All cases in the trial resolved. Only one occurred shortly after the shot was given (3 days) and it resolved 3 days after that.

isitlyme said...
On the other hand. Here is the trial results made available by astrazeneca. We read:

"The AstraZeneca and Oxford researchers stressed that there were NO DEATHS], hospitalizations or severe disease observed in the vaccinated groups from three weeks after the first dose. AstraZeneca said the vaccine should exceed regulatory thresholds."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/astrazeneca-lancet-covid-vaccine-oxford/2020/12/08/482ca0f0-34b5-11eb-9699-00d311f13d2d_story.html

"from three weeks after the first dose"? Having trouble accessing this article as I’m not a subscriber.

isitlyme said...
Also, in the trial data provided by Astrazeneca, you cannot find even one person who had facial paralysis. Most people had all the common site effects on vaccines, but NOT facial paralysis and of course NO Deaths. Coincidence? Judge it yourself...

Astrazeneca trial data:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/s0140673620324661?via%3Dihub#fig3

The data made public by Pfizer also did not specifically mention facial paralysis. The FDA released the specifics when it began the review process for Emergency Use Authorization. It very well could be that facial paralysis did occur in the Astrazenca trial as a portion of these "serious adverse events".. from your link:

“As of Oct 26, 2020, 13 serious adverse events have occurred (across all age and vaccine groups), none of which are considered related to either study vaccine as assessed by the investigators”

isitlyme said...
Comparing the two and making a risk/benefit assessment, for me and for now it seems that astrazeneca is more favorable. It doesnt even require the ultra low temps to preserve the vaccine.

It may end up being "more favorable", but it hasn’t received the same level of scrutiny yet.

Post Edited (potsnpans) : 12/11/2020 11:30:42 AM (GMT-7)

potsnpans said...

isitlyme said...
This is essentially meaningless when the placebo group has 4 deaths.

No death is meaningless on trials, even one. We simply dont know what happened. Perhaps by pharma it is...

[quote] Facial paralysis does not equal red flags. I was hoping you would read the entire article... In the headline it says “FDA denys...” but in the body it says “Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators said there wasn't any clear way that the vaccine caused Bell's palsy, but warned that doctors should watch for the alarming side effect and Pfizer should continue to keep tab on how many people it strikes.

What they say doesnt inspire any confidence. "Alarming" is a red word for me. if it is not for you, great, be my guest and take the mRNA.. i will try not to take it..

isitlyme said...
No death is meaningless on trials, even one. We simply dont know what happened. Perhaps by pharma it is...

People die. Sometimes a person who dies happens to be 1 of 73k people in a vaccine trial. It would be very unusual if 0 out of 73k died. Despite what you said previously about "zero, nada, none" people dying in the Astrazeneca trial, it was reported in October that at least one person in that trial did die (reported as from the placebo group). I would be surprised if it ends up being the only death.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/volunteer-in-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-trial-dies-in-brazil/

isitlyme said...
What they say doesnt inspire any confidence. "Alarming" is a red word for me. if it is not for you, great, be my guest and take the mRNA.. i will try not to take it..

You picked the least significant part of what I quoted.. please read the rest of it. I picked out the parts from the article that are most relevant so you wouldn't have to read the whole thing...

And what if some of those "13 serious adverse events" from the Astrazeneca trial turn out to be bells palsy? Does that change your thinking?