Multiple parasite cleanse questions

Have you considered testing so that you have a better idea what you’re going up against?

The Dude recommended this guy to me. I literally just put my test in the mail yesterday. He will recommend a holistic/non-rx treatment protocol for any pathogens found.

https://parawellnessresearch.com

Parawellness is a good test. I spoke directly with Dr. D’Angelo before I took the test and he was very helpful with my questions. He has also been interviewed by Scott Forsgren (betterhealthguy) - so you may find his podcast useful. He gives you a detailed report of what he finds and suggested treatment (looks at urine & stool). You also don’t need a doctor to order.

I personally didn’t have success with herbals for parasites and felt I needed the strength of prescription meds to clear. I’ve taken albendazole, biltricide, alinia, otc pyrantel palmoate.

Post Edited (k07) : 1/8/2021 7:14:50 PM (GMT-7)

K07,
Bad herx? She’s taken Alinia (3 days out of a month) and herxes terribly-in bed for a week. Just wondering how people typically respond and if we should maybe do every other day or a few a week or what. No guidance from our drs on parasites, unfortunately.

yes i had to start alinia and 1/4 th the dose and titrate up. binders like chlorella and charcoal helps lots . also it hits everything from lyme to viruses and the emotional herxes were intense ! like rubber room and str8 jacket intense! ivermectin may be easier to tolerate at first ...keep us posted

I’m going to make several posts here, because I feel the need to say a lot here. This one to directly answer your questions in the OP.

1. Yes. Psych(o) symptoms were the worst.

When I treated with Mimosa pudica, I developed new symptoms I hadn’t had before - morning anxiety and doom/gloom feelings and slight nausea. As time went on, I had bad emotional herxes to the point I acted like a psycho and scared my mother. I finally stopped out of concern over that. I’m sure there were other symptoms, but those were the worst ones. If you want to know specifically what the psych symptoms were like, just ask.

2. Weeks to get back to baseline.

I stopped thinking I only needed a few days break. After a week, I tried to restart Mimosa and couldn’t tolerate even lower doses. Instead, I took pulsed doses of Intestinal Mover for a few weeks. When I was finally able to restart Mimosa, I changed the way I took it. Instead of taking 2 caps am and pm, I only took am and quickly increased from 2 to 4 capsules am only. I never had the morning anxiety and doom/gloom or nausea again. Psycho symptoms didn’t recur either to that extent.

3. Yes. I do that now. I don’t take Mimosa daily anymore., although I DID do the 4 caps in the am daily for months.

I wouldn’t worry about replicating at this point. If she’s that sick, she probably has a large load. It’ll take time and multiple segments of treatments to get it under control.

4. I would not try to push through serious herxes, especially psych ones. Stop and help get the toxins and debris out and calm the immune system. You can’t kill the host.

5. Sauna and coffee enemas should be helpful, although I have never done either. TUDCA could also be very helpful. If she’s not taking that, I would start on that for a week or two before going after parasites again. For binders, charcoal, chlorella, GI Detox, and Microbe Formulas Biotox would be good ones.

HERBS vs MEDS

In the past, other members here have posted that meds are better than herbs for parasites. They said that herbs tend to irritate the parasites rather than kill them.
Based on my experiences with herbs, I tend to believe this is true.

After treating with antifungal herbal formulas and Mimosa pudica, I did 14 days of Pyrantel pamoate. I had no serious herxes nor expulsions from that, but I could feel it was doing something. That is the only drug I tried. I couldn’t get the pharmacy to fill Ivermectin. I did get the Alinia, but haven’t taken it.

Pyrantel is OTC. You could try that and see how she does with it before trying Rx drugs or even in between rounds of herbs. I would not do Rx drugs for parasites without an experienced doctor’s instruction and care.

CONSIDERATIONS

Antiparasitic herbs also can be antifungal, antibacterial, or antiviral. The herbs can be hitting a lot more than worms and parasites.

Rx antifungals were very helpful for me. I wish I had done those much sooner - like years sooner. I had to ask for them.

Has Blakely been on Fluconazole and/or Nystatin? If not, it could be helpful to deal with yeast/mold/fungi before parasites.

Wow WbF - so much knowledge you have shared!!

Thank you!

Wow. Thanks for al the detailed information. Ive read it multiple times and will again to process it all. So nice to have good feedback when I feel very unsure of it all.

Blakeley took mimosa pudica for two months with no noticeable effect except for larger quantity bowel movements. I hate to hear how horribly that affected you, WBF. Maybe it would be good to stay on that during this cleanse?

Regarding pushing through herxes, so far the herx is severe nausea all day not helped by Rx meds, so barely eating, if anything fresh juiced stuff. And also, just a “run over” feeling like her body is just shut down, incapacitating weakness so feels she “can’t move”. Just so sick. I’m not sure how long to let that go as she actually felt like that most of the time she was on antibiotics last year.

She took diflucan and nystatin. Diflucan for probably at least 6 months and then another cycle again later maybe 2 months. Nystatin for a spell in between. Didn’t seem to have issues with those meds as far as I can remember.

She is highly averse to trying enemas or colon hydrotherapy. I will look into TUDCA. She hasn’t taken that but does take chlorella, tox affix (charcoal along w other ingredients), omni cleanse (a metabolic detox product from Des bios). We don’t yet have a sauna and probably need to up the probiotics. She drinks a great deal of water, prob 3/4 gallon most days.

Pyrantel....where do you get that OTC? What specifically does it treat? It was mentioned not to take ivermectin if you have certain parasite. How do I know if she has that? WBF, did you test to know exactly what you were treating? All the advice for treating largest to smallest...how do I know which meds hit which parasites?

She has taken sweet wormwood under the care of MD, for four months in the beginning of treatment, on a pulsing schedule. Also, the Alinia under the care of MD, three days per month, which seems like not enough to knock anything out but it sure packed a punch as far as a herx when she took it. A week long for those three pills.

Where do you get ivermectin? Blakeley has an upcoming phone appt with the LLMD we don’t particularly care for (but is great with managing thyroid) so I could ask her about any of this but not sure what to ask for. She is the one who prescribed the Alinia last year. I don’t believe parasites have been discussed at any of the appts but I didn’t bring it up either.

One more thing, WBF, you mentioned you would rather go faster and kill the stuff quickly to get it out. Are you saying you should have upped your dosages more quickly instead of slowly like what we are doing? Also, if we pulsed this cleanse, what would be a good schedule, like 3 days on, 3 off or ...ideas?

Just for clarification, here is a list of the herbs in the cleanse:
Black walnut, wormwood, ground cloves, olive leaf, cats claw, pau d’arco, and cascara Sagrada.
I would hate to know that this is just stirring it all up but not ridding her of it, after all this suffering. If she’s going to go through it, I would like to take whatever is actually purging the problem. Would these herbs just stir it up or is this powerful enough to kill?
Are all LLMDs familiar then with Rx to treat parasites in depth like this? I’m not sure the ones we’ve used are.

Thank you all again for the wealth of information. Very helpful. I will keep studying.

It was thought she had Babesia. Treated it in the beginning and symptoms seemed to have subsided. That is, if one can tell it all apart.

LLMD prescribed Alinia to replace wormwood so I assume it helps w Babesia. She also mentioned it helping biofilm bc we stopped biocidin at that same time bc she said Alinia would do that job.

Many sources, including real food rebel, talk about doing liver or gallbladder cleanses before parasite treatment. I have never done one. Sounds like a sure recipe for nausea and vomiting and awful headaches to me. Has Blakely done any kind of cleanse?

I assume the cleanses are to clear out sludge so the organs can handle removing parasites and the toxins they leave behind.

Quick answer to one of these questions and then I’ll respond more later.

Blakeley did do the bowel cleanse for a month recommended on the real food rebel site before starting this. Herbs were Tumeric, milk thistle, fennel, and dandelion. That actually seemed to make her feel better.