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Posted 3/19/2021 4:15 AM (GMT 0)
Sorry to post about this issue again but was hoping someone had more info on this topic, Its my understanding that the burning sensation/tingling from bartonella is from the toxins? If that is true (if I'm right) then what are best things I could take to alleviate this knowing I have mercury fillings too? And best things to take daily for immune health as mine is down.

I have mercury fillings (don't want to pull from those!) just fyi

Is glutathione something I can take OR concern with mercury? My understanding is it helps support the liver but not sure If that also would help with the sensations in my head, neck back......I just want to feel like Im doing something pro-active as I try to boost my immune system. I had thought the marshmallow root I take in capsule form was helping but now Im not sure

Post Edited (Tracyabc2021) : 3/19/2021 1:06:24 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2021 10:46 AM (GMT 0)
hi Tracy
for what it's worth - if suffering from symptoms of Lyme and or co-infections - everyone will have slightly different symptoms and severity and i would tend to suggest that rather than going after each symptom for relief we generally do better to try and treat the root cause - as that will reduce and eventually resolve all symptoms.

there is of course still a lot of trial and error involved - as what works for one person may not necessarily work for everyone - as we are all different and the infections we carry are also all different - but i think the principle is important and there are some decent starting points - eg Buhners books on herbal treatments - and burrascano or horowitz on pharmaceutical ones.

i suffer from Lyme and suspected Bart and possibly mycoplasma - i am self-treating mainly via herbs and lifestyle modifications - and i find that when try and focus on treating one symptom - while i am doing that another crops up out of the blue and throws a spanner in the works.

i have tried many many things - but for me personally - found that I needed to incorporate a large number of complementary approaches each of which on its own helped only a little, but together worked to gradually allow my immune system to start to function better and gradually move my health forward. It's a long road back - but then i think that perhaps it was a long road to get to the point where my system collapsed and i became vulnerable to these things.

everyone is different and you may not need to do as many things as i am currently to move forward - but since you are interested in natural approaches - maybe have a look at the thread i just posted here to give you an idea of things you could try

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4241691&g=4241895#m4241895

all the best
G
Posted 3/19/2021 11:46 AM (GMT 0)
No the burning sensation is because your immune system is activated. It’s neuro-inflammation. The myelin sheath, which is a type of glial cell, gets aggravated from the infection and begins to release cytokines and glutamate.

Things that calm the immune system tend to help

Outside of removing the infection, which will eventually calm the immune system (although it may get worse before it gets better), the best treatment I really know of is IVIG. It didnt work for me that well, but its a miracle for some people, if you can get it. LDN also helps some people with this. I ended up doing well on the ketogenic diet, and am trying to calm these glial cells down with autonomic retraining.

Alpha lipoic acid + bvitamins can help as well, but they take time and its no miracle

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 3/19/2021 5:54:08 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/19/2021 5:58 PM (GMT 0)
Its because my immune system is activated? I used to have it very lightly for years didnt really bother me or affect my life but I got knocked down emotionally that is still going on and perhaps brought down my immune system?

What are things that calm the immune system? I assume I need to build it back up? I cant take ALA unfortunately cuz it makes my mind race (and heard bad with mercury fillings). If it gets aggravated by the infection wouldnt something that stop inflammation help OR detox that doesnt cause a die off?
Posted 3/19/2021 7:49 PM (GMT 0)
I believe it is neurological inflammation. The things that have helped me the most with neurological inflammation are curcumin and DNRS limbic system retraining. Others rave about magnesium (especially magnesium threonate) and L-theanine. I also benefit from ashwagandha, although different adaptogens work better for different people. CBD and other cannabis products can have huge benefit, once you find the right strain and dosage.

I have much worse inflammation when my immune system is being stimulated. People talk sometimes about the distinction between immune-boosting supplements versus immune-modulating supplements, and for me it's important to stick with the immune-modulating category. Vitamin C, various medicinal mushrooms, bromelain, and zinc work well for me. Immune-boosters like elderberry and echinacea cause cytokine activity for me.

Another thing to look into is whether you have mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), which can cause tingling sensations and strong reactions to supplements, and is relatively common with Bartonella and mold exposure. Symptoms can include skin symptoms, nervous system symptoms, anxiety, digestive upset, respiratory symptoms, brain fog, unrelenting herxes, sensitivities to supplements, and other issues. If these happen in response to common histamine triggers (fermented foods, heat or cold, showers, stress, exertion, mold, allergens, environmental toxins and fragrances, high-histamine foods or supplements, etc.) then it could indicate MCAS. It took me years to figure out I had MCAS because I was constantly exposed to triggers (certain supplements and foods I consumed every day) and therefore constantly had the symptoms. Plus people think of MCAS as skin symptoms and traditional allergy symptoms, whereas for me it's primarily brain fog, nervous system issues, and GI issues, so I didn't recognize it right away. Treating it was simple once I figured it out, so it's worth looking into.

Have you looked at the Neil Nathan book Toxic? I recommend it to anyone who suspects Bartonella or mold exposure. Recommendations from that book took me from 25% to 85% reliably.
Posted 3/19/2021 10:49 PM (GMT 0)
Try liposomal glutathione like Readisorb. IV glutathione is more of a risk for serious adverse reactions.

The only things I know to avoid with mercury is ALA and probably chlorella. ALA is the biggest risk. You may be able to use chlorella periodically, but I wouldn’t use it every day.
Posted 3/19/2021 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
“ the burning sensation/tingling from bartonella is from the toxins”

- The only way to know if those symptoms are from bartonella toxins is treat bartonella and see if those symptoms get worse or better.

You’re not actually treating yet are you?
Posted 3/19/2021 11:09 PM (GMT 0)
How would you know if you have MCAS? Im so confused and so overwhelmed. JUST started to work with a clinic. My MAIN problem is that I have symptoms ALL the time so I never know what is doing what - I am always activated and its sending my body into constant over-drive. I have to seek out medication I wouldnt normally take because my body is in hyper-drive and wont settle down...

This is what they told me to do for now:
Take CoraCalm
Resveratrol
NeuroProtek

Also - WILL marshmallow root help absorb toxins?


saraeli said...
I believe it is neurological inflammation. The things that have helped me the most with neurological inflammation are curcumin and DNRS limbic system retraining. Others rave about magnesium (especially magnesium threonate) and L-theanine. I also benefit from ashwagandha, although different adaptogens work better for different people. CBD and other cannabis products can have huge benefit, once you find the right strain and dosage.

I have much worse inflammation when my immune system is being stimulated. People talk sometimes about the distinction between immune-boosting supplements versus immune-modulating supplements, and for me it's important to stick with the immune-modulating category. Vitamin C, various medicinal mushrooms, bromelain, and zinc work well for me. Immune-boosters like elderberry and echinacea cause cytokine activity for me.

Another thing to look into is whether you have mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS), which can cause tingling sensations and strong reactions to supplements, and is relatively common with Bartonella and mold exposure. Symptoms can include skin symptoms, nervous system symptoms, anxiety, digestive upset, respiratory symptoms, brain fog, unrelenting herxes, sensitivities to supplements, and other issues. If these happen in response to common histamine triggers (fermented foods, heat or cold, showers, stress, exertion, mold, allergens, environmental toxins and fragrances, high-histamine foods or supplements, etc.) then it could indicate MCAS. It took me years to figure out I had MCAS because I was constantly exposed to triggers (certain supplements and foods I consumed every day) and therefore constantly had the symptoms. Plus people think of MCAS as skin symptoms and traditional allergy symptoms, whereas for me it's primarily brain fog, nervous system issues, and GI issues, so I didn't recognize it right away. Treating it was simple once I figured it out, so it's worth looking into.

Have you looked at the Neil Nathan book Toxic? I recommend it to anyone who suspects Bartonella or mold exposure. Recommendations from that book took me from 25% to 85% reliably.

Posted 3/19/2021 11:18 PM (GMT 0)
The plan had been to get stable (and just do anti-inflammatory and supplements for toxins) but I cant seem to calm down. My body is in such hyper-drive I cant tell what is doing what to me. Faith would you know if marshmallow root actually helps to soak up toxins? Right now the bug doctor has me on minimal things - one being to lower my cortisol which is high.

WalkingbyFaith said...
“ the burning sensation/tingling from bartonella is from the toxins”

- The only way to know if those symptoms are from bartonella toxins is treat bartonella and see if those symptoms get worse or better.

You’re not actually treating yet are you?

Posted 3/19/2021 11:38 PM (GMT 0)

Tracyabc2021 said...
Its because my immune system is activated? I used to have it very lightly for years didnt really bother me or affect my life but I got knocked down emotionally that is still going on and perhaps brought down my immune system?

What are things that calm the immune system? I assume I need to build it back up? I cant take ALA unfortunately cuz it makes my mind race (and heard bad with mercury fillings). If it gets aggravated by the infection wouldnt something that stop inflammation help OR detox that doesnt cause a die off?

Very interesting that you mention emotions. Been thinking myself about a lot recently about how the autonomic nervous system controls inflammation. Lots of research now starting to point to the fact that the autonomic nervous system, which is intimately linked to emotion, controls the level of inflammation. So it’s no surprise you would get worse after being stressed emotionally.

A lot of people do DNRS like saraeli mentioned. Deep breathing and meditation. Vagus nerve stimulation. Exercise for stress relief. Cold showers to stimulate the vagus nerve (although some people get worse from this). I personally find the ketogenic diet helps ground me emotionally, and lower inflammation. I wish there was an east answer, lots of people on here including myself struggle with this exact problem. It takes a multi-factorial approach of de-stressing and calming the immune system.

Also if you have gut issues it’s very important to address them. That in itself can do it. Sibo, loose stools, dysbiosis

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 3/19/2021 5:41:56 PM (GMT-6)

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