My immune deficiency (low IgG, IgA) after lyme seems to be affecting oral health. EDIT: dental fraud

Update: I posted about cavities under teeth crowns a few weeks ago. Found out thats what happened, and might need my first root canal there. **Also have new cavities since my last September 2020 cleaning on the teeth themselves.** That is far from normal in an adult who takes care of teeth and is mostly sugar and "fake sugar" free..

My teeth issues did not happen till AFTER treating lyme, about 2018.
-Ended lyme ABX and all tick infection treatment 2016.
-Mid 2000's my WBC count was midrange/good, but blood protein globulin's were getting low around 2010
- 2016 WBC, blood proteins and globulins were always low
-2019 further tested immune classes under the WBC,s found low, under the range. CD57 was forever low- dead givaway.
Lyme prob off/on since 1970's.


The primary question Immunologists ask (I go to one) are about having any unusual or increased infection problems. My answer was always "nothing anymore besides my past lyme and re-occurring digestive candida in the past".

Tooth decay/cavities were never on my radar, because as an adult I rarely had them.

Tooth decay is a bacterial infection, usually of the strep family and it seems my immune system cannot keep them in check anymore.

Now I get cavities beyond my control, for no reason. It sucks. Multiple cavities two years in a row (early 50's age) and now I prob need a root canal too, first time ever. The standard teeth x-rays once a year are no longer enough.

I eat like a saint, no candy, no soda, no cookies, Ive never used table sugar in any form as an adult. No sugary coffee / lattes either. I do snack on gluten free low sugar nut/grain bars (very selective which type).......which I guess is also now a no no.

Alternative Health advocates might be against fluoride, but higher fluoride tooth past is the only thing I can do for this.

Dental Hygienists can obviously tell that I floss and brush regularly, since I dont have much plaque build up.

I goggled poor oral health with immunodeficiency , and they go hand in hand......I was NOT aware nor warned of this possibility.. Something the immunologist never mentioned directly to me.

http://www.igliving.com/magazine/articles/igl_2013-06_ar_dental-problems-and-immune-deficient-patients.pdf

Now Im wondering if chronic lyme or ABX used damaged my immune proteins. I was only on a total of 14 months of six different ABX (three at a time period, then change ect.)

Post Edited (astroman) : 6/17/2021 9:14:43 AM (GMT-6)

I have heard others mention that after they got Lyme/co they started having tooth decay, sometimes severely so. I also remember bartonella being mentioned in this regard. I would take the time and money to see a reputable biological dentist for advice and treatment. You might want to test out that houttuynia if you still have it. When was the last time you inspected or tested the house for mold or leaks? Got a moisture meter?

When I was extremely sick, I neglected my teeth (neglected my 3x day brushing and didn't use toothpaste). A black spot appeared on one of my back teeth and would not budge so was pretty sure was a beginning cavity. I tried holding turmeric in my mouth for a period of time each day - did this for awhile then slacked off if I recall correctly. Anyway, started just brushing teeth w/ bentonite clay and water 3x day and also oil pulling w/ coconut oil. The black spot finally disappeared.

Have you tried regular oil pulling, astroman? Just a thought.

To this day, I still just brush 3x day w/ bentonite clay and water and also oil pull once in awhile. So far, teeth seem to be doing fine (still quite sick w/ Lyme & co), though I have been one to have good teeth.

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 3/24/2021 7:30:12 AM (GMT-6)

Mother had sinus "stuffyness" too.

Good points on mold. No mold in my home or water leaks, I inspect the attic and understand/have home construction skills/schooling. Live in the below zero north, so very dry winter air. Summer I use AC and a de-humidifier in the basement (standard procedure for northland naked concrete block basements). Finishing a northern basement in an older block foundation house is a no-no- as they will get moldy and people dont know it/cant see it). Cold/naked basements with throw rugs are the most healthy, but least attractive.

Checked out some bio-dentists, no inc coverage at all. 2-3X the price of ins covered dentists. Ouch.

Ill maybe start oil pulling.

I have no symptoms that lead me to believe I would still have tick infections.

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Tried a c-pap sleep breathing machine about ten years ago. Could never sleep with it. And issue was not saggy throat muscles/skin, its sinus related. Sleep drs didnt understand/see this. They also didnt understand "mind racing anxiety" I had then either, which was from lyme and stress. C-pap wont help that LOL!!!!!!!! Really cluless sleep clinic..

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Post Edited (astroman) : 3/24/2021 8:41:18 AM (GMT-6)

I guess a stain was possible, Notime4lyme, though I tend to think that it was more than that based on how it looked and acted. Guess I'll never really know but am glad it's gone

Notime4lyme said...


Astroman—I would suggest maybe rinsing your mouth with xylitol or chewing herbs that kill bacteria in the mouth, in addition to brushing your teeth. But I think having a cavity under a crown might be more a problem with the crown than with your immune system.

xylitol gum was suggested, as it kills bacteria. they Didnt mention a liquid form (?). Never been a gum chewer, but seems like a good idea. Other sugar free gums are a no no, they are just as acidic as sugar.

Crown cavity was part a functional problem, but I have other new cavities on existing teeth too which is very surprising since I take care of my teeth.
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Post Edited (astroman) : 3/24/2021 3:06:47 PM (GMT-6)

Yes, biological dentists are expensive and are not preferred providers with insurance. If you have dental insurance that covers non-preferred providers, you should get a reimbursement of some amount. If I were having your problems, I would go back to my biological dentist even though I don’t work and have limited income.

EDIT:
I was just looking at my dentist’s website. One of the doctors (famous) who used to see patients in my dentist’s office had to retire from office practice because of cancer. He’s a periodontist and Functional medicine trained practitioner and does do consultations, though. Here’s some information about that. Might help you get some answers as to why the cavities and what you might be missing.
https://drdanenberg.com/consultations/

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 3/24/2021 10:26:23 AM (GMT-6)

They make dental probiotics to chew after brushing teeth. No idea if they work or not but i bought hyperbiotic one off amazon.

Also, i recently bought a “hydroxyapatite” toothpaste. Potentially better at remineralizing than flouride. Naturally occurring in the body, non-toxic. Google it - even colgate has an article on it. I use Boka brand.

A regular dentist prescribed a flouride+hydroxyapitate toothpaste & rinse for my husband’s gum issues. Brand was CTx4.

Thanks for the suggestions so far, And I welcome any other ideas.

It’s amazing what you can learn here versus conventional healthcare.

I naturally assumed my teeth would be near perfect my whole life since when I was a kid I regularly consumed sweets candy bars guzzled soda pop , jelly donuts for breakfast, still rarely had cavities then

Turn the tables - and I eat the best I ever have in my life for the Last 3 to 4 years and I get cavities, That’s how I know it has to do with my low immune system , In combination with receding gum lines. A couple of cavities are right on mid sides of molars where they get brushed all the time, not at the gum line.

I figured the health food store might have some of the stuff mentioned here , surprisingly they didn’t ...guess I’ll go online.

Hey dude, I've posted about mouth taping before. It's unclear from your message if you've tried it or not, but if you havent I think its a must. Same for you Astro.

I used to be a big mouth breather. I started taping a few months ago, and it really helps. I now nose breathe throughout the day. Mouth breathing is quite detrimental to the nervous system too, as one tends to do that hyperventilative breathing. The book Breath by James Nestor was an awesome read which got me into this.

I too have a deviated septum. I also have a slightly crooked nose. It became clear to me after reading Breath that my nose became crooked after i had 4 teeth removed to make way for braces. We noticed it when I was in 10th grade (the year i got my braces off) and always assumed i broke my nose w/o my knowing, but this book elucidated that mystery. But as he points out, the fascia in the back of the nasal cavity is like a muscle, and if you train them they will eventually open up and stay that way.

I tried a head device I found on amazon that holds your mouth shut, but didnt work well. I experimented w/ several kinds of tape, all which left a toxic residue and fell off eventually. Then I came across this product. Works great, so i use it nightly

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/b076cq1nr8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=utf8&psc=1

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 3/25/2021 5:42:13 AM (GMT-6)

Maybe theres a way to learn how to do it slowly throughout the course of the day, first. The book says after 6 weeks the nasal passages open up, but if see your point, if you cant do breathe through them to get them working in the first place.

Another health food store had a full line of xylitol oral products. They didn’t have the raw powdered sweetener though in the sweetener section.

I got the spry xylitol oral rinse, and trials of gum and mints.

Supposedly this is more effective than alcohol rinse like scope Listerine etc.

Great! Glad you got that issue resolved with a competent dentist.

astroman said...

dentist said you just dont remove those all at once unless your a biological dentist,

Did he say that? He knows what a biological dentist is? You better hang onto that dentist for life!!

I don’t think a lot of regular dentists have even heard of biological dentistry much less know what it is.