Since only some covid vaccine threads, are being deleted by a mod, who doesnt want members to get help for vaccines dangers or whoever that is, who keeps suppressing or deleting them, but only protecting the positive posts about
covid vaccines. Now another one posted by Girlie was deleted, so i am reposting all again and i will continue to do so, until all other vaccine/covid threads are deleted, not just only the ones, who the mod want to be deleted. Unless it was you Girlie? I doubt it, but if it was you Girlie, could you delete also the Covid vaccines pool thread please? In fact, every thread about
covid vaccines? There are heated discussions there too, so no excuse to deleting them too. If not... It makes no sense deleting anyone at all...
Who ever is deleting this, get this message, the more you delete or block this threads, the more members will keep posting about
vaccine dangers, hesitance and distrust. If you didnt delete it, this would not happen, but as lone as you do, its just escalating the problem and members will suspect something is wrong here.
Here is the repost so everyone follows:
Girle said...
We’re just vaxing the 40’s now so I guess it’s not enough yet.
Especially when it’s the 20-40 age group who aren’t following the “rules”
isitlyme said...
Please don't forget that covid is seasonal. In Israel for example, in the last year, when no vaccines were available, the cases and deaths declined, just as they are declining today, and they are crediting the vaccines for that, it may have little if anything to do with it, the so-called vaccines effectiveness is being masked not just in Israel, but in many countries and as we approach summer, by protective measures, recent lock downs and of course the virus seasonality.
But what are many countries saying? Hey cases are declining, vaccines work, take them now! What a unsubstantiated conclusion, because the same happened last year without vaccines. Let me give you a simple example: In Norway, just one of many countries were last year happened the same decline without vaccines, lets just look to what the Norwegian Public institute of health has declared recently:
"During the last five weeks, a sharp increase in transmission has been seen among most age groups in Norway, but not among the oldest who have the highest vaccination coverage. ",
Then they proceed with a conclusion:
"This may be an early indication that the elderly have received protection after vaccination..."
Now notice what they say next, please read slow and carefully, because this is what is happening in the major countries, but at least they admit it because this is so obvious that many are blinded by the vaccines:
"...although the effect of other infection control measures can also contribute to this result,” says Geir Bukholm, Director of the Division of Infection Control and Environmental Health at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health."
Yep, that's it, no more no less. This just shows that vaccines are a complete illusion. Until people stop wearing masks, will the real effectiveness of vaccines be exposed, until then, so-called experts and scientists will remain blinded. We know masks protect, but what we don't know if vaccines do, no matter what they say or the data they present, because protective measures blind the real effectiveness. This is not my opinion, its pointed out by the official Norwegian Institute of Public Health:
https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/signs-of-protection/
Girlie, about the numbers increasing in you province, well vaccines don't prevent spreading right? So, vaccines don't help to reduce spreading in the first place and thus it will not help the case numbers either. The most probable cause is that people are relaxing from protective measures or lockdowns in your province?
isitlyme said...
Do vaccinated people still must use masks, if they are in the public and not indoors with vaccinated people or not?
Girlie said...
IsitLyme: "Girlie, about the numbers increasing in you province, well vaccines don't prevent spreading right? So, vaccines don't help to reduce spreading in the first place and thus it will not help the case numbers either. The most probable cause is that people are relaxing from protective measures or lockdowns in your province?"
Those vaccinated shouldn't be getting covid...so less people getting covid, no?
...maybe it's off-set by the people getting lax due to covid isolation burn-out....
potsnpans said...
isitlyme: I have some ideas that might explain the conservative stance on masks, etc...
But the article you quoted is from Jan 4, 2021. Since then, there have been many real world studies showing that vaccines are in fact preventing asymptomatic infections and therefore transmission- as most people had expected they would.
isitlyme said...
potsnpans, again??? I thought you said in the other threads you would not engage in discussions, now here you are again. Well, i will do you just one question, to expose all the mambo jambo replies you made here again:
Do vaccinated people still must use masks, if they are in the public and not indoors with vaccinated people or not?
potsnpans said...
potsnpans said... Dunno who's recommending what at the moment.. Recommendations on masks, etc are not evidence against vaccines preventing asymptomatic spread.
isitlyme said...
isitlyme said... Pots, what kind of evidence is that you are giving? Do you mean if people are protected with masks and use all the protective measures means that we have evidence that vaccines work? How is that even possible, can you explain? I think you are seeing the things in the wrong perspective. Can you answer directly do this question?
potsnpans said...
potsnpans said:
there was an unvaccinated control group in the study:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
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