Covid vaccine advice yet again, please...

I'd probably wait it out a few more days until you feel better physically, and then just do it. No more hesitation, it is the right decision. Go into it confidently next week and get it over with.

I get flares of symptoms when I'm nervous or anxious about something, and I definitely felt very nervous before my vaccine for a few days - tired, foggy, shaky, dizzy, no appetite, near-diarrhea, achy, etc. I had the same concerns as you describe, worrying that I should be in better shape before getting vaccinated. It's hard to know what's the right thing to do in those moments, and what's causing what! Unless you think you've been exposed to a recent virus or food poisoning, then I agree with dcd - go for it. Sort of like jumping into a cold swimming pool. Best to get it over with so you can stop worrying about it.

I think it's a good bet you are torturing yourself, and maybe creating symptoms, due to your anxiety around this issue. I agree with others here. Jump into the swimming pool or don't. Doing it will allieve your anxiety. Conversely, if you aren't going to do it, then make that switch in your mind so you can stop hyper focusing on it. It's like when you have a lingering issue in your life that you don't want to confront and it feels like an elephant is on your chest until you actually decide to face the issue.

Be confident in whatever decision you make. I understand this whole situation is pretty scary. There is no such thing as absolute certainty. Trust you have done your due diligence. Don't second guess yourself after that. There is a ton of rhetoric around this issue. You can go on the internet and find somebody saying something outrageously scary or contrarian. You can do that for pretty much any subject. All that will serve to do is scare you into indecision.

Either way, I wish you the best of luck

Lymie,

I completely agree with all of you. I am probably making myself worse. That said it's very hot today and when I told myself I wasn't getting it today I didn't feel any better. I'm low energy and nauseous and have some nerve pain. On Tuesday I will hopefully have more energy. If I don't I will then just do it.

Purplelight, thanks for always sharing and offering a different angle. Believe me we all know the risks. That said most vaccinated will not die from Covid. I know too many people who have had it. It's very real where we live. I've seen it up close and personal.

I've made the decision that I think is the right one for right now. But thank you for sharing and for researching every side of this challenge.

Huddie - it’s so hard to know what to do. Trust you will make the best decision for YOU. But I wanted to offer some of the points that have led me not to get it:

-Two LLMDs and an LLND who all know my case well have advised me to not get it. If it weren’t for all three of them in separate consensus, I probably would’ve gotten it by now.
-I had a terrible reaction to gadolinium for an MRI six months ago. Made me act like I’d had a stroke. I required near full time care again and lost the ability to communicate. I’m still not back to pre-gadolinium. And a urine test confirmed I retained the injection that should have been excreted within 48 hours. Now, the vax is obviously not gadolinium, but they are similar in that they are both considered safe for the general population. I no longer trust injections.
-Another dear Lyme friend had a terrible reaction to J&J - it gave her an awful neuro flare for over a month. I don’t know if she’s fully recovered yet.
-I rarely leave the house except to go to PT or the chiropractor.

All that said, I’ve been acutely sick with something for the past week - not a herx, a clear cold/flu for the first time since the pandemic began. I’m on day 6 and have only had minor improvements in symptoms. I’ve taken two home Bionax covid tests, both negative. I don’t have the energy to go get a formal covid test. But having an acute illness that looks somewhat like covid has been scary. I’ve fluctuated between “I hope this is it, I can handle it, let’s get the darn thing over with” and “please don’t be covid, please don’t be covid.” As of now, my body is handling it so I plan to see it through and then get an antibody test in a month.

I don’t know what I’ll decide on the vax after this. I live in the Ozarks - a highly unvaccinated area where delta is running wild. It’s scary. I need everyone around me to get vaccinated, but I’m super scared to do it.

I just write to share my experience. No judgment on what you decide is best for yourself! I totally understand the family pressure, too.

Best of luck!

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You're welcome Huddie.

And thank you so much for at least hearing me out and not shutting me down.

I truly appreciate that.

The last thing I'll say is this: please know that the covid survival rate is 99.75% under 65 years of age.

This comes straight from the CDC.

I posted a link to the CDC website in your other thread.

Please don't listen to the media, they have their own interests. It's wiser to look at the actual data.

❤️

Hi Girlie,

Great question. Thank you.
So the problem with the virus and the vaccine is likely to be the spike proteins.
When you make a vaccine like this, you have to pick a target.
Spike proteins were thought to be a good candidate to be this target and thus, they are the main part of the vaccine.

They were meant to stay in the arm, where they cause no damage. But autopsy has revealed that spike proteins are found in every organ in the body. With certain organs having more than others, such as the reproductive system.

A doctor named Dr. Bruce Patterson, his team has discovered that spike proteins persist in the monocytes resulting in immune dysregulation and long-haul syndrome. Specifically the S1 piece of the spike protein.

So to answer your question, I don't know, but what I do know is that both:

- Vaccine long haulers
- Covid long haulers

Have pretty much the same symptoms, and they are caused by the spike proteins.
Now think about this, the injection causes the spike proteins to cross the blood brain barrier 20 times more than the actual infection itself.

The internet is full of vaccine long haulers, but the only ones that make the news are covid long haulers.

For anyone who is a long hauler (of both types):

Famotidine might help, and so does Ivermectin.

In America we have a VAERS database, where adverse reactions are reported.

2 months ago these were the statistics:

"VAERS data released today showed 118,902 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 3,544 deaths and 12,619 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 23, 2021."

I've read that the last 2 months specifically have been really bad, but those aren't included yet.
Please keep in mind this is just the people (or their doctors) who contact the VAERS. So the numbers are likely much higher.

I wish I had an actual percentage for you Girlie, but this whole thing is such a mess.

Girlie said...
But what is the percent of long haulers - those who have residual symptoms months after - and do we know yet if it is permanent.

It depends on the cause of the long haul symptoms. For me, it was persistence of the virus, and I was eventually able to get rid of it with antivirals, but it took prolonged treatment.

If the residual symptoms are autoimmune then that's a totally different problem.

I've also read stories of long haulers and the symptoms some of them describe seem a lot like bartonella, eg rashes and swollen lymph nodes. So some of these cases might be reactivation of an old infection.

The "long haul" symptoms aren't just one thing. It's a lot of different things.

“ Girlie, from what I've heard, long-Covid is MUCH less likely to happen if you treat early and properly. You have Ivermectin? IMO, that's the better and safer way.“

Yup I do have it.

I'm now officially freaked out about the blood-brain barrier.

I just called the Covid CDC hotline and was told that the Pfizer vaccine (only asked about that one) absolutely does not cross the brain-blood barrier.

Anyone?? Bueller? Anyone?

JMF,

Thank you. I am having a full blown anxiety attack over this. I haven't feel like this in years. I need to log off and meditate. I'm so irrationally frightened now and feel physically sick. Ugh.

Feel good everyone.

Lymie24 may I kindly ask who you are referring to in this thread when you say "even when they give bad advice"?

Couldn't that also mean that your advice to stop discussing things on the internet could be bad advice?

We are here to help each other. Logging off and pretending this information doesn't exist is not a solution.

Huddie I'm really sorry to hear you're having anxiety. That was not my intention at all.
There seems to be some misunderstanding about Pfizer crossing the blood brain barrier.

It's partially semantics and I wish the CDC was more open about that.

Pfizer itself might not cross the blood brain barrier (we actually don't know this yet but that's a different story), but it instructs your DNA to create specific spike proteins that the Pfizer vaccine instructs it to make. These spike proteins cross the blood brain barrier and cause damage. So yes, maybe not the vaccine itself (maybe), but the spike proteins do.

Since Lymie24 doesn't want us to discuss this, I will just provide some sources and quotes that you can read for yourself.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

"The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice"

Now this is not the vaccine, but covid itself. However the pfizer vaccine teaches the body to create spike proteins. Which does include the S1 subunit protein as mentioned here.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc5475249/

This was done in mice, please scroll down to Table 1, and notice the amount of H10 mRNA in the Brain. Pfizer is an mRNA vaccine by the way.

And last, I hope you read this, as its very important:

“ACE2 receptors are common in the heart and brain,” she added. “And this is how the spike protein causes cardiovascular and cognitive problems.”
Dr. J. Patrick Whelan, a pediatric rheumatologist, warned the U.S. Food and Drug Administration(FDA) in December mRNA vaccines could cause microvascular injury to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways not assessed in safety trials.
In a public submission, Whelan sought to alert the FDA to the potential for vaccines designed to create immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to instead cause injuries.
Whelan was concerned the mRNA vaccine technology utilized by Pfizer and Moderna had “the potential to cause microvascular injury (inflammation and small blood clots called microthrombi) to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways that were not assessed in the safety trials.”