Covid vaccine advice yet again, please...

I’m getting mine tomorrow.

Ugh

Don’t want it - but life (including work) will be difficult if I don’t.
Also am starting to feel somewhat stigmatized.

Huddie,

Praying you find peace in all this. I feel so bad for you. When I read your posts on this topic, I cringe. It’s horrible to think that people are pressured by their own family members to do things to their bodies that they don’t really want to do. That’s total violation to me. Also to live in a state where your freedoms have been threatened so. My reaction was I’d run for my life and leave everybody else behind!!! Praying for your peace and protection and for wisdom in navigating all this.

PurpleLight said...
Lymie24 may I kindly ask who you are referring to in this thread when you say "even when they give bad advice"?

Couldn't that also mean that your advice to stop discussing things on the internet could be bad advice?

We are here to help each other. Logging off and pretending this information doesn't exist is not a solution.

Huddie I'm really sorry to hear you're having anxiety. That was not my intention at all.
There seems to be some misunderstanding about Pfizer crossing the blood brain barrier.

It's partially semantics and I wish the CDC was more open about that.

Pfizer itself might not cross the blood brain barrier (we actually don't know this yet but that's a different story), but it instructs your DNA to create specific spike proteins that the Pfizer vaccine instructs it to make. These spike proteins cross the blood brain barrier and cause damage. So yes, maybe not the vaccine itself (maybe), but the spike proteins do.

Since Lymie24 doesn't want us to discuss this, I will just provide some sources and quotes that you can read for yourself.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

"The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice"

Now this is not the vaccine, but covid itself. However the pfizer vaccine teaches the body to create spike proteins. Which does include the S1 subunit protein as mentioned here.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc5475249/

This was done in mice, please scroll down to Table 1, and notice the amount of H10 mRNA in the Brain. Pfizer is an mRNA vaccine by the way.

And last, I hope you read this, as its very important:

“ACE2 receptors are common in the heart and brain,” she added. “And this is how the spike protein causes cardiovascular and cognitive problems.”
Dr. J. Patrick Whelan, a pediatric rheumatologist, warned the U.S. Food and Drug Administration(FDA) in December mRNA vaccines could cause microvascular injury to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways not assessed in safety trials.
In a public submission, Whelan sought to alert the FDA to the potential for vaccines designed to create immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to instead cause injuries.
Whelan was concerned the mRNA vaccine technology utilized by Pfizer and Moderna had “the potential to cause microvascular injury (inflammation and small blood clots called microthrombi) to the brain, heart, liver and kidneys in ways that were not assessed in the safety trials.”

At some point during this pandemic I realized I was the fool for arguing with those who either had bias, bad information, were scared, or were bad actors. Yes, sorry but you are a perfect example. The example you wrote about the FDA slide is a perfect example of lacking context and misinterpretation. You might have good intentions, but you are biased, don't understand the consensus of science, a bad actor or some combination of similar factors.

Yes, I am human. Yes, I have given out bad advice before. The scientific method is the best way to determine lower case T truth about the universe we live in. That is proven by the results it has produced. Literally the entire world of science, and the specialties involved in viruses, vaccines, etc. have been on top of this problem for over a year. Go against the consensus if you wish. Take your advice from layman on the internet if you wish, but people should at least be warned that is a bad idea.

I've been apart of the Lyme world for 6 years now. It sucks and I feel for every person struggling. I'm right there with everybody in this respect. I have learned over this time that the chronic illness community, lyme included, often have been traumatized by their experiences, and, perhaps more easily than the healthy population, fall down the rabbit holes of conspiracy, quackery, and dogma from unqualified sources or bad science from a semi or qualified sources that has been debunked or rebutted by the consensus of experts. The vaccine spike protein traveling through the body and injuring is a great example. It takes just a few minutes of research to educate yourself on that issue. I'm not arguing that the vaccines are without risk. Clearly, they aren't harmless to everyone, however, there have been 3.6 billion doses adminstered throughout the world, and over 300 million administered in the U.S. If there was a serious problem we would know by now. There are systems put into place to track these things. I've never heard anyone argue against these systems without delving into conspiracy. That's why they are considered generally safe.

So yes, I implore everyone to think very hard about where you get your information you base your decisions off of.

Post Edited (Lymie24) : 7/17/2021 1:13:13 PM (GMT-6)

Any doctor that advises you to not get your covid vaccine (outside of a legit medical contraindication) is a doctor you should never trust with your health ever again. Most naturopaths are quacks when it comes to vaccines so I would expect that group to be most of the culprits, but social media has been a cesspool of misinformation regarding these vaccines from the onset. I’ve had too many patients die from this f’n virus and have 3 close friends with long haul symptoms (remarkably similar to chronic Lyme, interestingly enough) and I don’t want to see fellow Lyme sufferers from these forums get sick or die from a preventable illness. My college roommate is a critical care pulmonologist in Florida and all the covid patients in his unit are unvaccinated.

Appreciate the measured response, resurrection. I tried to quantify my statement with the “outside of legit medical contraindication” which you clearly fall under but I probably should have chosen my words better. (There are some other posts in this thread and others that contain outright falsehoods and quackery about this topic that trigger me and i sometimes fail to explain myself or measure my statements more clearly).

Solaris719 said...
Appreciate the measured response, resurrection. I tried to quantify my statement with the “outside of legit medical contraindication” which you clearly fall under but I probably should have chosen my words better. (There are some other posts in this thread and others that contain outright falsehoods and quackery about this topic that trigger me and i sometimes fail to explain myself or measure my statements more clearly).

I appreciate your response, too. After all you’ve seen, how could you not plead for everyone to get it who is eligible? I am sorry about the losses and long haulers you’ve witnessed. It’s such a horrific scenario.

I'm in general pro-vaccine and I believe that most adults should take it, and I'm likely to take it myself in a few months. But all it does is reduces the risk of getting and becoming more ill (and less transmission). There are still breakthrough cases and I believe that they will increase over time and there will be a need for boosters, especially for older and immune-compromised people.

There is no info on the long-term consequences of the vaccine, but I still think for most, the vaccine is the best choice. But what if there was something else you could do to reduce the risk of getting ill or get as sick, with low costs and big health benefits? Like sleep, nutrition, mindfulness, and supplements.
I want state own TV to tell people how to work on their sleep hygiene, more research on what cheap supplements and antivirals that helps, etc. It would be great if people could have antivirals to take when directly when they suspect they get sick, and not when they have to go to the hospital. And that the government might pay for some basic supplements for the population. It's a great time to push for better public health, but there is almost no focus at all on that.
I have been reading a bit again on the Reddit covid forum and it's all about vaccines, masks, and social distancing. They of course help, but I hate that is so little focus on general health.

Deep_sleep said...
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I have been reading a bit again on the Reddit covid forum and it's all about vaccines, masks, and social distancing. They of course help, but I hate that is so little focus on general health.

this is a very good point

the majority of our population seems to want a quick fix when they get ill - a pill from the doctor - or a quick jab - but not spend time or effort investing in their health.

in a culture where 60% of adults are overweight and 45% suffer from one or more chronic illness * - this makes no sense at all - unless you are perhaps a large corporation who just want people to go on mindlessly consuming until the day they drop ....

2018 data - source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc5876976/

Lymie24, you seem upset with me because I don't believe the vaccine is safe.

And I just noticed you said this to me:

"but you are biased, don't understand the consensus of science, a bad actor or some combination of similar factors."

Please allow me to respond to this...

When I was still in college a long time ago I learned something very valuable. Which is that if you disagree with someone, it's best to attack the argument, not the person itself. What you said above is called an Ad Hominem attack on my character. This is documented in communication studies, and it's considered a fallacy.

Let me clarify a few things to you:

- I am not biased, I have received all my vaccines except for the covid vaccine, because I don't consider it ​a safe vaccine after studying and considering both sides of the argument.
- You don't know my background, so please refrain from telling me that I don't "understand the consensus of science".
- I am not a "bad actor".
- Nor a combination of any of these.

You talk about being a part of the Lyme community for many years. If that's true, which I do believe it is, then please treat others with respect, as we have always done for each other in our Lyme communities. Whether that's on HealingWell or elsewhere. Please be so kind to refrain from these comments in the future.

Post Edited (PurpleLight) : 7/22/2021 9:59:30 PM (GMT-6)

PurpleLight said...
The government is trying to make life incredibly hard for people who aren't vaccinated.

In France for example, you can't be in public places or on trains, without being vaccinated anymore.
And they are planning for mandatory vaccination later this year.

Now soon they are going to take rights away from the non-vaccinated.
We won't be able to have our rights for freedom to travel anymore.

There are so many human rights being thrown out the window it's insane.
So many wars have been fought for freedom, and here we are in 2021, just willingly giving away our freedoms over a personal medical decision.

This society is being divided as a "us vs them" and most people don't even notice it.

The Biden administration announced that they are going door to door to "offer" the vaccine.
Well, the instructions for the employees leaked.
Guess what it said?
Document your work/the ones who said no.
So yes, you will soon be in a database.

Something to think about.

PurpleLight, I not only thought about it but to be perfectly honest I'm scared.

I'm scared that they will make this vaccine mandatory when I don't want it. And yes, I'm scared that my rights are in the process of being taken away. I also heard about volunteers going door to door to either offer the vaccine or give information (in other words try to force people to take the vaccine).

As I said I'm in my middle 60's and I have never seen anything like this before. It's really scary and I feel helpless. I wish I knew a way to fight back but I don't. All I can do is keep educating myself by reading books about the vaccine as well as books about this government that I don't recognize anymore. Everything is changing so fast and not for the better.

Denise

Paul B said...
I'm 71 years young, and I've never seen the degree of suppression of facts and discourse and manipulation of public opinion as we have now. We were supposed to be beyond this, but in our arrogance we have fallen deeper into it. And it's done openly and shamelessly, indeed, under pretense of righteousness. This is unAmerican, unethical, and considering the human cost, grossly immoral.

The rot goes all the way to the top of our institutions. The scientific establishment has in the past persecuted those whose truth-telling threatened positions and pride, such as Dr. Jacob Edelweiss, who had the temerity to suggest that doctors simply washing their hands after touching diseased patients and before delivering babies would save new mothers from much suffering and death. He was hounded out of his profession. And the vested interests today, starting with the pharmaceutical industry, are only more powerful than what he faced.

It's impossible for me to believe that this system and its proponents have my best interests in mind. Most people with chronic Lyme should readily understand that the medical industry has become inflexible and self-serving, and that solutions are now to be found in alternatives.

I have never seen this nation so close to an evil totalitarianism.

I agree with you 100% on everything you wrote.

I think one of the greatest crimes in this whole pandemic is the refusal by heath authorities to tell people about early treatment guidance but instead they have suppressed remedies that work such as hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D or NAC.

I only hope that these evil actors end up going to jail for all the crimes they have and still are committing.

It makes me wonder why these covid vaccines were patented around year 2002 or earlier? Thus they had the vaccines way before the virus came out? If that doesn't make anyone suspicious I don't know what does.

And yes, people with lyme should go with the alternatives I listed above.

Denise

potsnpans said...
"It makes me wonder why these covid vaccines were patented around year 2002 or earlier? Thus they had the vaccines way before the virus came out?"

This one is new to me. Do you mean the mRNA technology was patented in 2002?

It would have been impossible to create the current vaccines without the virus' genome.. didn't have that til late Jan 2020 I think

I mostly agree about the censorship, but I don't see it as confirming the accuracy of whatever is being censored.

Hi potsandpans,

Up until 1999, coronavirus patents were all in the veterinary sciences. The first coronavirus vaccine to use the S spike protein was patented by Pfizer in January 2000 (Patent No. 6372224). It was a spike protein virus vaccine for canine coronavirus. You can look up the actual patents for yourself on the United States Patent and Trademark Office's website if you like.

Try to research Dr. Robert Malone who was one of the creators of these coronavirus vaccines (around 1989). I learned that most of the internet (google, wikipedia, etc.) has now deleted him. Dr. Malone was on one of the news channels not long ago and he does not advise people to take these vaccines stating that the risks are more harmful then the benefits.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc297778/

Denise