Non abx treatment advice for a new tick bite?

Sorry you're in this crappy situation, deep_sleep.

I think the herbs in Buhner"s core protocol would be the one's I would rely on most.. particularly japanese knotweed. If there is an herb you do end up buying, maybe it should be that. The second for me would be Chinese/baikal skullcap

Astragalus I think is fine for most. I'm relatively stable and have been able to take it, though it may have aggravated my knee a little after a week (not really sure).

Other ones you listed that I would prioritize would be the cat's claw and medicinal mushrooms.

Best to omit any herb/supp that might interfere w sleep of course

Keep us posted!!

Yes, A-l complex is a mix of things and my main treatment when I worked with a practitioner. I have only used about 10 % of the bottle over a very long time as I herxed so much from it before.
https://www.gordonmedical.com/byron-white-formulas-a-l-complex/

This is the ingredient list for GI Ultramax:
IMMULOX- Proline-Rich-Polypeptide (PRP)enriched Colostrum 500 mg +
Colostrum - APS 70-301 1,000 mg +
Glutamine (as Sustamine dipeptide L-Alanyl-L-Glutamine, a highly-stable form of Glutamine) 500 mg +
Glutathione (as Setria Glutathione) 125 mg +
Propolmannan Prebiotic Fibre (as PropolA a bifidogenic (food for beneficial GI bacteria growth) prebiotic soluble fibre from Amorphophallus Konjac Root) 1,500 mg +
Larch Arabinogalactan (as ResistAid Arabinogalactan soluble fibre and polyphenolic flavonoids) 250 mg +
Curcumin/Turmeric (as CurQfen a highly bioavailable patented form of curcumin for GI and total body support) 125 mg +
Ashwagandha (as Sensoril Ashwagandha) 125 mg +
Organic Amla (Phyllanthus embica) 100 mg +
Lignite Extract (Mother Earth Labs Standardized Lignite Extract0 50 mg +
PepZin Gi (Zinc L-Carnosine Complex) (Elemental Zinc 5mg) 47 mg +
Selenium (as Selenomethionine) 15 mcg 21.3%
Organic, NON-GMO
Sunflower Phospholipids 600 mg +
Phosphatidylcholine (PC)
Phosphatidylethanolamine (PE)
Phosphatidylserine (PS)
Phosphatidylinositol (PI)
Phosphatidic Acid (PA)
Digalactosyldiacylglyceride (DGDG)
Monoglactosyliacylglyceride (MGDG)
IAM - Immune Assist Micron 200 mg +
Medicinal Mushroom Blend
Agaricus blazei Murrill
""Cordyceps"" Cordyceps Sinensis
""Maitake"" Grifola frondosa (Hen of the Woods)
""Reishi"" Ganoderma lucidum
""Turkey Tail"" Coriolus [trametes] Versicolor
""crapake"" Lentinula edodes
Quercetin 50 mg +
Rutin 50 mg +
Organic Prune Fruit Powder 500 mg +
Qing Dai (Indigo Naturalis) 50 mg +
Cat's Claw 20 mg +
Marshmallow Root 20 mg +
Slippery Elm Bark 20 mg +

Post Edited (Deep_sleep) : 7/27/2021 5:31:30 AM (GMT-6)

My impression is that astragalus can stimulate the immune system in ways that can aggravate people already suffering from autoimmune or inflammatory disorders, which applies to many with Lyme, but not all. If you have tolerated it in the past, then Buhner's astragalus protocol might be worth a try. He also recommends homeopathic ledum palustre for recent bites.

Yeah hard to tell what camp you're in w/o testing cytokine profile or simply trialing astragalus. I don't have the book w me but I quoted part of it in another thread:

"The problem, of course, is how to tell a long-term (mostly) Th1 semidominant, autoimmune-like process in chronic Lyme and simply a later stage of a Th2 dominant Lyme infection. Essentially, if you take Astragalus and you feel worse, you will know."

He's made some clarifying comments since the book leading me to believe it was safe to try.. like any flare would calm down shortly after stopping. I ramped up rather quickly, but I'm not very sensitive to most herbs.

I wonder how much is in the A-L complex, and if it's what's been causing you trouble..

I agree w prioritizing astragalus/A-L complex, taking whatever you can without flare to ensure your body is mounting an appropriate Th1 response.

Deep_sleep said...
I know that doxy is the standard, but you can only get max 2 weeks here, and I don’t have a doctor and I don’t want to go into a hospital in Sweden where few wear a mask, etc.

I got the bite about 10 days ago, where it has grown from a diameter of 2 cm to 4 cm but has stayed the same size the last days. I don’t want to buy any new herbs, but I wonder how I should prioritize the ones I have?

I got A-l complex, Astragalus, Andrographis, GI Ultramax (a mix of immune-stimulating things like medicinal mushrooms, cats claw, marshmallow rot, etc), Argentyn 23(silver), and Oil of oregano.
Also mixing in some iodine, H2 Elite(hydrogen tablets), using IR-sauna, DNRS, and a lot of other things.

After it grew I have been mixing a lot of these and have been taking the biggest amounts ever of multiple of these during a day. I'm less sensitive now after 2 weeks of vacation and would never been able to handle these amounts before, but today I woke up in a very bad shape. For example, yesterday I took 5 drops A-l complex (biggest before this is 2 drops), 3 drops Andopraphis, H2 Elite, NAC, and Quercetin + bromelain.

I read that Buhner recommends Astragalus, but not for chronically ill patients? Not sure there as I normally function very well. I planned to take that + GI Ultramax today, and take treatment for about 5 weeks.
Is there any of these I should prioritize, or would mixing be good? I'm not able to treat as hard as I have done the last few days, as I'm not able to function that well, and also have to learn a new programming language during these weeks also…….

I was on doxy over the years on and off, never seemed to gt better or waxing and waning symptoms . I've tried herbal buhner herbs which were ok at first bt now I had tried sida acuta which was the roller coaster to hell tbh. 1 drop and I couldnt tolerate it and my heart rate went up k could breathe and I felt beyond wired. I'm fine with Japanese knotweednit seems. I've become super sensitive to most buhner herbs and even become super sensitive to vitamins , amino acids , etc. Or my option now is to take antibiotics again, and add more yeast to my body which I am already trying to detox from . I'm not a fan of antibiotics. Most of buhners herbs are like stimulants and I definitely dont need any more stimulants or wited feelings as I have enough nuerophsyciatric herx reactions from the toxins alone lol it's going to be a long journey. I'd say try herbs or antibiotics and see what works best for u.

saraeli said...
My impression is that astragalus can stimulate the immune system in ways that can aggravate people already suffering from autoimmune or inflammatory disorders, which applies to many with Lyme, but not all. If you have tolerated it in the past, then Buhner's astragalus protocol might be worth a try. He also recommends homeopathic ledum palustre for recent bites.

Have u done mostly herbals or antibiotics??

Just wasted to clarify that Buhner says to start core protocol at first sign of a rash. The astragalus rec is mainly for a "new tick bite" (so before rash but during is good too)

I know you want to work with whatever you have on hand, but have you ever used Japanese knotweed before?

IMHO

If you have the rash - get treated with antibiotics - now.

Do not fool around with this.

Why? I don't understand why abx is better than herbs? And you also have the problem with that it destroys gut bacteria.

Post Edited (Deep_sleep) : 7/28/2021 10:32:55 AM (GMT-6)

Ok, if I notice that I get worse I might go for some doxy later. I hope I'm making the right call, but it's so hard to know. Took some more A-L Complex before the sauna today so I have now taken 9 drops today and also added Argentyn 23. I'm a bit surprised how well I have been feeling today compared to yesterday and even got in a nice workout. My learning has also been better than yesterday.

Something that helped me a lot earlier in the year was to decrease internet usage. I have slacked with that after starting my vacation so have been good with that today, except for Healingwell and Youtube that I allow. Spending a lot of time reading about news and Covid that I have been doing the days before today, isn't good at all for my immune system.

Ok, I hope all the other things I do for my health offset the eventual lower efficiency of the herbs I take. I find it interesting that I have taken more treatment in the last 3 days than I have taken in the first 6 months of the year. Normally I would herx/MCAS too much, so it’s very good timing.

Feeling pretty strong today and it felt great doing windshield wipers on bars in pouring rain at the outdoor gym today 😊

Staying at 10 drops A-L Complex today and increased from 2 to 3 x 2 drops on Japanse Knotweed. I might increase to 4 x 2 drops tomorrow, and see what happens.

I also plan to start to measure my sleep with my Oura ring again tonight, which I haven't done at all almost during this year. I can then see if my deep sleep and REM get too low so that I can reduce the number of drops. I will try to take treatment a bit earlier also, as my sleep often gets worse when I take anything late.