Bacteriophages for Oral Health

i agree that bacteriophage therapies are an interesting angle - and based on solid eastern block pre-antibiotic era technology - successfully used for difficult to treat infections like TB i think.

i think the product you linked to is from that school of phage therapy - but i do see offshoots today that seem to be far less scientific - talking of electromagnetic frequencies - "activating" phages etc - which i find difficult to understand and do not seem to be well supported scientifically - so i would draw a distinction between the two.

from what i can gather since bacteriophages are highly species specific - their effectiveness depends on correctly identifying the exact species of bacteria you are dealing with and providing appropriately targeted highly specific phages for that organism

i guess this is the challenge with hidden infections - as bone cavitation's in the jaw often are - as it is very difficult to know what exact pathogens are present.

the reading i have been doing recently into biofilms has surprised me - what i had initially taken to be more of a speculative theory by LLMD in an effort to explain treatment difficulties is actually a solid area of microbiology with many applications around the world - not just in lyme group infections.

it turns out that all chronic bacterial infections involve biofilm - and this includes all bone infections.
i mention this as its largely the reason for these conditions being so hard to treat with antibiotics - and one of the reasons to favour phage type approach as - so long as they can get to the location of the bacteria logically they should not be defeated by biofilms - but i have not looked into this aspect.

biofilms in nature are almost always multi-species - certainly the ones in our gums are known to contain hundreds of species - so this may present a problem for bacteriophage approaches to infections in this area - or it may be that biofilms integrity can be sufficiently disrupted by introducing phages to a couple of the main organisms - such that the overall infection can be resolved

just wanted to add what i have come across in my research that seemed relevant - hope its welcome

GeorgeBod,
Hope you see this. Have you personally user any of the phage products from kalinka?

I looked at the information and am very tempted to get the Phagogin one since I have had ongoing flares of UTI symptoms after multiple negative cultures and recently had a urine pH of 8.0, which is high.

Sure thing, Rainy. I'm sorry about your lack of energy, my friend. If I had any energy to spare and a way to share it, I would certainly do so.

Did you ever see the product Energenesis?

I recommended it to someone who used it and had some success with it. Unfortunately, I didn't have the same luck. However, it took them maybe 2-3 months on the product, before there was a noticeable difference. Being impatient, I only took it for a month. I'm thinking about trying it again, because I'm struggling more than usual.

Hi, George:

Thank you for sharing all the information in this thread and the other one. You're certainly a fountain of good information. I've saved all the product links in my "Bacteriophages" folder.

Best wishes,
Dude

WbF,

Have you seen the following?

The Virus That Kills Drug-Resistant Superbugs
https://youtu.be/avtor7nq2sm

I've not watched it since I last posted it a couple of years ago, but remember it being informative.

Also...

The Deadliest Being on Planet Earth – The Bacteriophage
https://youtu.be/yi3tsmfsrog

Phage Therapy: How Canadian Doctor Used Century-Old Medicine to Save Husband from 'Superbug'
https://youtu.be/a8ud75jd5am

Bacteriophage Therapy
https://health.ucsd.edu/news/topics/phage-therapy/pages/default.aspx

Bacteriophages – An Introduction to Phages
https://www.bacteriophage.news/bacteriophages-an-introduction-to-phages

Phage Therapy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/phage_therapy

There's also articles on PubMed about bacteriophages/phage therapy, but I've already gone a bit overboard on the links -- a habit I'm trying to improve.

Dude
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Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 1/9/2022 9:42:06 AM (GMT-7)

hello GeorgeBod did it help you?

WalkingbyFaith

I'm in EU, their website says it ships worldwide so should be fine, as for the legitimacy it seems fine but if you are really concerned about it you could get it from walmart, it's more expensive though.

I can understand that the idea of introducing more "microbes" seem counter intuitive at first but there's beneficial bacterias like probiotics in kefir, kombucha etc and there's bad bacteria that can cause all sorts of issues.

The same way goes for viruses apparently, and these phages seem to act as very potent antibacterials with no side effect unlike antibiotics.

agifia

I wasnt infected with any of the bacterias those phages where targetting so it had no effect.

Unfortunately phages for lyme disease havent been discovered yet, they are out there somewhere waiting to be found...

dcd2103, you drink it, also put some of it in your ears, nostrils etc with a cotton swab, it's usually not necessary since drinking it is enough but it can increase the success rate of the treatment, especially if it's a very localized infection.

Garzie likely already knows this, but for anyone else, here's another company (besides Biologix) that is run by David Jernigan, DC.

PhagenCorp
https://phagencorp.com

His LinkedIn page shows him to be the Founder and CEO.

GeorgeBod,

Do you know how it should be taken to treat the urinary tract? Would it be taken orally or some other way? Doesn’t seem like orally would get it into the urinary tract.

EDIT: The one study I could find in my search indicated it was inserted via catheter in the study subjects in a hospital setting.

Do people in countries that have access to this use it at home to treat UTI’s. How do they apply the bacteriophages?

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 1/10/2022 4:21:58 AM (GMT-7)

The Dude Abides said...
Since water makes it to your urinary tract, drinking it seems reasonable. Or, am I thinking incorrectly?

I don’t know. I know there are issues with antibiotics for treating UTI’s. I remember one of the ones I took was one that stayed in the bladder.

I know what I read on the kalinka site mentioned orally and enema as means of application. I assume by that if you’re using it for the lower GI tract, then you would use an enema. By the same token, if a woman were using it for bacterial vaginosis, she might insert it via a douche. Any kind of direct insertion like enema or douche carries risk, though, especially if used during infection. You risk pushing the infection further into the body cavity by water force.

The bacteriophage studies showed varying rates of cure, so it’s not 100% and forget about. While the commercial preparations have a broad effectiveness for dozens of bacteria, you don’t know for sure how effective it will be for you unless you send them your sample and have it customized for what bacteria they find in your sample.

Then again, I just remembered the study I was looking at did use some of the premade commercial mixes.

I was hoping for something easy and uncomplicated, like a typical supplement.

Thanks for that follow up, WbF. Now, I better understand your perspective and concerns.

Just thinking about a catheter makes me squirm in my seat. Holy moly.