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Posted 10/22/2022 11:00 PM (GMT 0)
I often get what feels like bruised ribs.

Which of the tick borne bacteria are known to cause this?

What herbs would you take for this?

The worst Herx I’ve had which ultimately led to a short term 90% dissolution of all symptoms followed a bout of intense rib pain among other things.

Any advice?

Post Edited (NorthCountry) : 10/22/2022 7:59:17 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 10/22/2022 11:08 PM (GMT 0)
Hey,

This might help (from the IGeneX website):

"Pain along the rib margin and/or bra strap lines has been linked to Bartonella infection, which causes cat scratch disease and trench fever."

From: https://igenex.com/tick-talk/uncommon-symptoms-that-may-indicate-a-tick-borne-illness/
Posted 10/22/2022 11:20 PM (GMT 0)
Bartonella

I had rib pain plus I had episodes of locking up around the ribs - it was horrible.
Posted 10/23/2022 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
https://www.treatlyme.net/guide/kills-bartonella-a-brief-guide

This guy here is recommending cinnamon, clove and oregano capsules

Anyone know of a product that contains all three by chance?
Posted 10/23/2022 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
And does anyone know why people recommend Fluconazole for Bart? I’ve used it as an antifungal before. Why is it also suggested by some for bart?
Posted 10/23/2022 12:58 PM (GMT 0)
Lyme is well known for its ability to cause a condition known as costochondritis - inflammation of the connective tissue between the ribs in the chest - it manifests as pain in the ribs or chest - very much like bruised ribs

Horowitz writes about it in his books as a common sign in lyme

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/costochondritis/symptoms-causes/syc-20371175
Posted 10/23/2022 1:02 PM (GMT 0)

NorthCountry said...
And does anyone know why people recommend Fluconazole for Bart? I’ve used it as an antifungal before. Why is it also suggested by some for bart?

in a screen of FDA approved drugs by Zhang et al ( a well known and highly respected lyme researcher - at Johns Hopkins i think ) Azole antifungals were found to be more effective at killing "stationary phase" bartonella than conventional bartonella antibiotics like clarithromycin and doxycycline - in the test tube in lab experiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc6628006/
Posted 10/23/2022 1:04 PM (GMT 0)

NorthCountry said...
https://www.treatlyme.net/guide/kills-bartonella-a-brief-guide

This guy here is recommending cinnamon, clove and oregano capsules

Anyone know of a product that contains all three by chance?

i think he indicates the product he uses on his site somewhere - not cheap though

you can just use oregano oil in liquid form and dose by the drop ( its very potent)

the carvacrol content is the important measure - so buy one that states what it is and start at v low dose
Posted 10/23/2022 6:12 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
in a screen of FDA approved drugs by Zhang et al ( a well known and highly respected lyme researcher - at Johns Hopkins i think ) Azole antifungals were found to be more effective at killing "stationary phase" bartonella than conventional bartonella antibiotics like clarithromycin and doxycycline - in the test tube in lab experiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc6628006/

NorthCountry said...
And does anyone know why people recommend Fluconazole for Bart? I’ve used it as an antifungal before. Why is it also suggested by some for bart?

in a screen of FDA approved drugs by Zhang et al ( a well known and highly respected lyme researcher - at Johns Hopkins i think ) Azole antifungals were found to be more effective at killing "stationary phase" bartonella than conventional bartonella antibiotics like clarithromycin and doxycycline - in the test tube in lab experiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc6628006/

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Interesting I didn't know this... thanks

Post Edited (NorthCountry) : 10/23/2022 11:16:58 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 10/23/2022 6:14 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...

NorthCountry said...
https://www.treatlyme.net/guide/kills-bartonella-a-brief-guide

This guy here is recommending cinnamon, clove and oregano capsules

Anyone know of a product that contains all three by chance?

i think he indicates the product he uses on his site somewhere - not cheap though

you can just use oregano oil in liquid form and dose by the drop ( its very potent)

the carvacrol content is the important measure - so buy one that states what it is and start at v low dose



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I've been using Herb Pharm Oregano Spirits, which is a tincture... which tastes pretty strong. Definitely needs to be diluted in water. I don't know how it compares to essential oil, but I really like Herb Pharm products.
Posted 11/5/2022 3:28 AM (GMT 0)
I always looked at a symptoms chart for co infections. I've looked at multiple charts. It clearly says babesia can cause rib and chest pain. I'm confused because everyone is saying bart. I think everyone is different. I only tested for babs microti and was neg bt haven't tested for babs duncani. I also get air hunger another typical babesia symptom for sure. But again lots of ppl on here say it's bart. I started up CSA herbal and immediately my ribs was soooooo sore. Couldn't even poke me I couldnt even roll over or cough. My air hunger started up too only during herbals. The symptoms charts I read did not list rib and chest pain for bartonella, but for babesia it did. I think its manifests differently for everyone though. Someone with bartonella may have rib pain while a person with babs may not even tho it's a babs symptom. Things work wierd.
Posted 11/5/2022 5:34 AM (GMT 0)
For what it’s worth, I started taking iron supplements (I was low in iron), and my aches and pains seem to have been reducing. Either this, or some ALA I’ve been taking. Something tells me it’s the iron. Perhaps oxygen wasn’t moving well enough being iron deficient and now I am able to transport oxygen better, resolving some aches and pains (for now at least).
Posted 11/5/2022 2:23 PM (GMT 0)

NorthCountry said...


I've been using Herb Pharm Oregano Spirits, which is a tincture... which tastes pretty strong. Definitely needs to be diluted in water. I don't know how it compares to essential oil, but I really like Herb Pharm products.

no way of knowing what's in that product in terms of the main active ingredient - ie carvacrol content - as there is very little information on the label - other than "proprietary blend"

but the fact that it states a dose of up to 30 drops tells me that there is not very much oregano essential oil in there - as doses of essential oil are typically 3drops a day on the label - so at a guess perhaps 10%

the product itself may be ok - the main issue is trying to understand what dose of active chemicals you are getting in a dose.

personally i dislike - "proprietary blends" - as they are used as a way of avoiding telling the customer what is in the product - while at the same time making lots of marketing claims about its benefits.
They are typically v expensive ways of getting the same stuff that is available elsewhere - but with less marketing BS attached.

as an example you can buy 10x the essential oil content of that product for the same price
Posted 11/5/2022 6:08 PM (GMT 0)
I had the rib tightness along with trouble breathing and couldn’t stand up straight. Had asthma-like symptoms but tested negative for asthma and pulmonologist couldn’t find any problem with lungs. My chest wall felt stiff like it wouldn’t move and expand when I tried to breathe, leading to air hunger. Pulmonologist did give me a steroid inhaler for 1 month, and that helped about 85%. This was all before I knew I had Lyme or ever even heard of bartonella.

From what I recall reading in the past, rib tightness and stiffness in the chest wall can indicate bartonella, as others have said.

I used Buhner’s protocols and used Japanese knotweed, houttuynia, sida acuta, Chinese skullcap, bidens pilosa, and more. I would say the first 3 were the most strategic for bartonella. The first 2 reduced many symptoms over time. Unfortunately, I was very mold toxic and chemically sensitized during my treatment and had trouble identifying progress. TUDCA helped me a lot with sensitivities and toxic symptoms. Antifungals and antiparasitic drugs helped me feel better and less toxic, too.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 11/5/2022 11:12:24 AM (GMT-7)

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