Foot Pain

Edit: after my long post the short answer is yes it’s possible.

100% certainty is uncertain though. If you’ve been like this for quite a while and if it is from tick infection, it will take a while for the pain to go away. The longer you’ve had it the more time it takes.

Foot problems are pretty common. Upper back tension is very related to neck tension also. Many people that have upper back or shoulder problems also had a very tight neck. A tight neck seems to be more related to lyme and foot problems seem to be more related to Bartonella. They most certainly can and do overlap though.

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Here is my long answer and what I learned:

I have unfortunately become a pain specialist lol. A lot of it has gone away, there is some that I continue to treat on my own even though it seems like tick infections are gone for now.

Interesting thing about body pain is there are many reasons for it, thus the true problems may be compounded by several reasons. And you will always find somebody telling you that they are for certain that the reason was because of X or X. It’s hard to be certain., Unless they completely 100%went away from Tick illness treatment.

In my case it seems to have been from several compounded problems, each one that I treated helped a little bit over time

Most people here will say that Bartonella is the cause of foot pain, I will say that is not always the case. But, there are those who claim treating Bartonella completely eliminated their foot pain, so there is that.(!)

Before I go on forever below I will make a quick note mentioning reminding that a lot of foot pain is actually caused by calf and shin lower leg Muscle, tendon or nerve problems. And That can still be from tick infections just that if you want to individually treat the area in addition to your infection treatment the treatment area will be uphill from your foot.

First of all you have to remember what we feel as pain can be nerve pain, cellular damage, or lack of circulation. All three can have the same result, which is pain. And it may also be Nuro feedback based on nerve and mental patterns. They also have portable electrical devices to make your nerves relearn patterns if this is the cause. I looked into it pro sports teams are using this now but it is expensive for an individual.

Until you figure out the cause in the near future, I’m guessing you’d like to minimize the pain as much as possible for now.

Just remember the tissues in your body specific areas are very much related to the adjacent ones. So what that means in the case of tissue or nerve issues- the cause may be in a different area from where you actually feel the pain.

Many of these tick infections do cause nerve issues and also muscle and tendon Micro nutrient circulation problems. I have self study myofascial release and trigger point therapy for years after having a few professionals perform this on various areas of my body. They basically said I needed to learn this on my own because I wouldn’t be able to afford their services for a long time, so that’s exactly what I did. So this did help when my Lyme was raging but did not actually start to cure it till after a couple years of antibiotics.

One big note in my case I have years worth of sports injuries from physical impacts which the average person does not have.In the past my tick infections also made my bodies recovery some physical exertion very slow. So small injuries piled up and never healed correctly. My tendons became stiff and very hard with limited range of movement and all of my joints. All my joints made noises too. This is no longer the case I can swirl my shoulders around with no clicking at all now. I also use DMSO on my joints muscles and tendons that were stiff. Also the last year and a half I have used Solomon seal tincture topically on areas that are still healing.

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Is there anything you can point to in particular that helped your feet?

The first few years I was sick, I would have dismissed what Astroman said, and assumed that Bartonella was making my feet sore because that's what everyone says - that sore soles are a symptom of Bartonella. For years I thought this was the source of my foot pain, but it ended up being structural in nature. The way I have my feet positioned during the day and especially at night (either pointed because I'm sleeping on my belly or with covers weighing them down because I'm sleeping on my back) has always been the cause of my foot sole pain. While I do believe that antimicrobial treatment resolves some people's foot pain, and that Bartonella can make our nervous systems and pain receptors go haywire, sometimes other things are going on - instead or in addition. Also, both can be true - a foot position might be making your feet hurt, but your feet might be more sensitive from the infections - so both might need to be addressed.

Just a roundabout way of saying that I'm glad we have Astroman here as our pain and structural issues specialist.

running wild said...
I also believe astroman makes some good points about the possibilities with foot pain.

For three years, I thought it was Bartonella, as my tests seemed to always show positive for Bart. Then a nerve biopsy showed large fiber neuropathy, which I haven't heard Lyme or co-infections causing. about the same time, I had a positive lip biopsy for Sjogrens Syndrome, which can cause the neuropathy. The mistake I made was I assumed it was Bart, as my serum Sjogrens tests have always ben negative. It took the lip biopsy to diagnose Sjogrens.

Add to that research studies have shown sero-negative Sjogrens with a positive lip biopsy seems to make people more prone to neuropathy.

I'm not saying you have Lupus or any autoimmune. But rather than make the mistake I made in assuming it was Bart and also being told by LLMD it wwas bart causing the pain in feet, I lost a lot of time trying to treat it. Vigelence is needed in looking into all possibilities. "It ain't easy" to do that, but nothing about Lyme or autoimmune is.

I haven't heard of a nerve biopsy - can these be helpful in reaching a diagnosis? I visited a rheumy and they said that my symptoms seemed autoimmune releated and even mentioned Sjogrens, but all of my labs came back normal.

astroman said...
Note: fibro is just a label for drs to stop investigating the cause.

Do you have any other health symptoms not mentioned?

Do you stand a lot on hard flat surfaces or look down a lot?

Bottom of foot pain in the general public has a high likelihood of plantar fasciitis. It’s very common, but conventional healthcare does not treat it correctly. It’s problems do not necessarily originate in the foot.

It’s usually the end result of (again) calf ,tendon and muscle issues. Which can also be from many things- past injury, wrong shoes, specific sports, tick infections, low thyroid (which would also have other symptoms).

I do have chronic PF (started around the same time as everything else). I've worn more supportive shoes that has helped. I'm getting an MRI of my foot in December for the PF because conservative treatments haven't worked.

+ upper spine pain, sensitive fingertips, fatigue

My only formal diagnosis is Raynauds

astroman said...
What exactly where you’re conservative treatments for your foot? You say “conservative”, do you mean conventional?

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At least for time being you could look up planter fasciitis manual treatment on YouTube.

Trigger point therapy, trigger point release, Myofascial release for planter fasciitis. If your hands don’t hurt you can do this yourself.

You can also do neck exercises with a towel around your head pulling down while you move your neck up. This will help your upper back. Again it’s on YouTube.

Also lying just down on the floor arms out and lifting up soup cans kind of like a bird flying will help the upper middle of your back.

If your pain is not caused by some infection, disease or illness the above will help. If you find out later that is the cause, the above should still help just maybe not quite as much. You may have to do it more often but it’ll get you functioning until you can figure out what the cause is. So no matter what, it’s not a waste of time.

My podiatrist used "conservative" as basically anything non-surgical. I've done PT, steroid injections, custom orthotics, stretching exercises.

I think my primary issue is finding the root cause of my foot pain. My feet were fairly normal until fall 2019, then they started burning 24/7 for 2-3 days, and then the current state set it - no constant pain, but pain/sensitivity on the bottoms when I walk. I'm not sure if that's arthritic or nerve-related, and don't know if it's something like Bart or something autoimmune.

Treating any possible infections could help, even if it is autoimmune, which I don't know that it is. But the infections can push autoimmune problems. I'm in the same boat.