Biomagnetism/Lyme magnetic protocol

MargaritaLyme said...


Nevertheless, I too wish anyone success with whichever treatment is utilized. Truthfully though, I couldn’t disagree any more with your statement regarding placebo. I find it fascinating that whether I popped an antibiotic, spent time in a HBOT chamber or underwent a magnetic treatment, the herxheimer symptoms were identical. I seriously doubt this could be chalked up to a charismatic practitioner. But as we do both agree, we are entitled to our opinions.

All the best.

i agree - lets agree to disagree - i am not actually seeking to change your mind - i am writing here mainly for the people who come looking for treatment options and get drawn to the fringes without first trying the more obvious proven routes.

we should all be aware though that placebo effects can be positive or negative - they tend to align with the direction of expectation - and many things influence them.

I'm not saying that's what has happened to you - and i know there are good reasons you feel that you cannot do more conventional treatments - but there are also people who are walking again after years in a wheelchair after undergoing a "sham surgery" as part of placebo controlled trials - they typically believe they had the real surgery - i.e. believe their effects are not placebo. its a very powerful effect.

in any case, thank you for the discussion - i feel its an important topic people should consider carefully - so worth airing

i hope you find a good way forward

Kara NH said...
I’m trying this in addition to the herbs and supplements diet change etc.

If trying all of these at once, it may be difficult to know for sure what is helping. That may not be of concern, but I thought I'd mention it, as I've done the same in the past. Either way, what's most important is your recovery. So, to that end, I wish you great success. I look forward to reading any updates on your journey.

KaraNH, I couldn’t be more excited for you regarding your appointment. You are seeing a highly regarded practice with J.R. in VT. from my understanding, they have been able to help patients regain their health, including my practitioner’s daughter who at best improved 50% under Dr. h’s 4 antibiotic IV protocol. Please keep us posted. There are few of us here reporting on use of this protocol.

Garzie, thank you as well for the spirited debate. Anytime there is an exchange of ideas and opinions here we can only benefit.

If however, I read comments not even close to describing my experience I will surely explain the difference.

For those interested, there is a study published on the use of bio magnetism and typhoid fever . I would post the link but I am a tad tired now.

I was in pretty bad shape by the time a friend who also had Lyme referred me to my practitioner. I was couch/bed bound. I’ve had to push through some pretty rough herxing, but that is getting better as well. Muscle testing is fascinating as well. You will learn a lot.

Thank you Kara.

I have spoken to several people who are in training now because they were helped by biomagnetic pair therapy.



It sounds as if your treatment length may be shorter than mine. You are younger and haven’t had Lyme and infections as long as I have. I also have Hashi’s thyroiditis. I don’t think I detox well.

Great to hear about your appointment. I hope the herxing is minimal for you.

Yes, everyone is different as will be his/her response to the LMP. When I first started treatment, I’d start herxing immediately after treatment. Currently, I have about a 24-36 hour reprieve before I feel die off reactions.

Additionally, yes, any type of prediction on treatment length is a precarious one, but some patients shift faster than others.

Dr. Issac Goiz from Mexico City, Mexico is largely credited with bringing the practice to the U.S., at his institute in Berkley, CA. But further digging into the topic will reveal other doctors as biomagnetic pioneers.

a quick search shows there are plenty of papers on the other side of the argument about the lack of efficacy of "magnetic pair therapy"

eg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc1325112/#__ffn_sectitle

the authors conclude there is no good evidence of efficacy beyond placebo for bio-magnetic therapy - and highlight that the global sales for bio-magnetic therapy - is circa 1 Billion USD

this paper is peer reviewed and is fully referenced

i think people interested in this, should evaluate both sides of the argument carefully before parting with any of their hard earned money.

the facts

human study = good
very small number of people (13) = not so good
not blinded - patients knew what treatment they were getting- known to increase placebo effect = poor
no control arm - no comparison to others who were not "treated" = poor
very little information about patients - eg were they vaccinated / would have recovered anyway = poor

paper is very weak in general - would not have been published in a more rigorous journal due to these procedural weaknesses

also - Goiz is listed as "corresponding author" on the paper - and yet the paper declares no conflicts of interests.
given that Goiz seems to make a living from magnetic pair therapy - there is a very clear conflict of interest - and this is therefore downright misleading and dishonest.

my interpretation?
overall i would say the article has been designed to give credibility to magnetic pair therapy while at the same time being so vague that it cannot be called out as an outright fraud.

Hmmm. I see. Thank you for your input.
What do you think about muscle testing? There seem to be so many practitioners who do muscle testing.

Kara NH said...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5653337/

What do you think about this study?

I am trying to get to the bottom of it.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I hope you don't mind if I contribute a few thoughts. I've had a few sessions of Biomagnetic Pair Therapy (several years ago), so I've been following this thread with interest.

As for the paper by Dr. Frank, under the heading "Biomagnetic Pair Therapy," it states the following:

"Biomagnetic Pair Therapy (BPT)—developed by Isaac Goiz Durán, MD, over the last 30 years—has proven to be beneficial for addressing a wide variety of clinical illnesses, including infectious diseases.3"

(emphasis mine)

So, I scrolled down to the corresponding reference:

"3. Hílu R, Goiz Durán I, Mendoza Castelán G. Biomagnetic Pair Fungi, Viruses, Bacteria and Parasites. Méico City, México: Universidad Autónoma Chapingo; 2010."

However, when I clicked the "Google Scholar" link, the source document was not found. I tried a manual search for it, both in Google Scholar, PubMed, and regular Google search, but I wasn't able to locate it. Thus, one is unable to evaluate the claim by Dr. Frank that Biomagnetic Pair Therapy has been "proven" to be beneficial for the conditions cited.

As for the "Medical Acupuncture" journal, I went to https://research.com/journals-rankings/medicine to look for its "Rank" and "Impact" scores, but the journal was not found. The search is limited to the top 2,000 journals. With more searching, I found https://www.resurchify.com/impact/details/19700174911 and the journal is ranked at 17,073. Now, research.com and resurchify.com don't show the same journals with the same ranking, as the latter site has non-medical journals in their list, too.

The reason I was interested in the journal's ranking is because some journals will allow authors to buy publication simply by paying "...publishing, processing or other author fees" and will guarantee publication "...before a manuscript is even seen." (Taken from https://www.proof-reading-service.com/en/blog/list-pay-publish-journals.) That may not be the case for the above article, but it's something I still have to consider.

Next, I reviewed Dr. Frank's Oklahoma medical license, his Texas medical license, and his website:
https://www.okmedicalboard.org/search
https://profile.tmb.state.tx.us
https://re-genesishealth.com

Both state medical boards show a clear license for Dr. Frank with no disciplinary action. Obviously, this is good.

Dr. Frank's website shows him to specialize in Integrative Anti-Aging & Regenerative Medicine, Anesthesiology/Pain Medicine, Medical Acupuncture, Laser and Micro-Current Therapies, Biomagnetic Pair Therapy/Advanced BioEnergetics, MicroBioEnergetic Therapies, Complementary and Alternative Medicine, Bio-Medicine, Auricular Therapy, Auricular Medicine, Prolotherapy, and Neural Therapy. His website also notes "His latest certifications are with Dr. Isaac Goiz's Biomagnetic Pair and Advanced BioEnergetics Therapies."

So, overall, this doesn't get us any closer to an answer, but I figured I'd share what I went through.

Personally, I have trouble understanding how Biomagnetic Pair Therapy is supposed to work. I've read several explanations on different websites, but I've not yet had an "Ah-ha!" moment. Of course, that doesn't mean anything, because I'm just one person and I'm probably not smart enough to understand it.

Ultimately, if someone goes through Biomagnetic Pair Therapy and they recover or even just slightly improve, then I'd say the treatment is worthwhile. I'll take any improvement, even if it's a placebo. As the saying goes: "A placebo effect is still an effect." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12110735

As always, I wish you much success.
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Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 1/11/2023 4:37:26 PM (GMT-8)

Thank you Dude for your thorough investigation!

I was personally choosing between Lyme-N (recommended by my naturopath) and the magnet therapy to add to my regimen and feel that the magnets are cheaper and have more evidence, comparatively.

I’ll let everyone know how it goes.

It seems like everyone heals in a different way so the body is ultimately what heals itself, supported by various mechanisms.