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Posted 4/6/2023 2:16 PM (GMT 0)
Hi all. It's been awhile since I've been here as I've been doing pretty well, even tho covid felt like it would take me out.

My question-
In spring & fall I get bart symptoms. This spring I am having some digestive pain & pain in what seems to be the spleen on L side.

Am I not hitting bart hard enough to knock it out? Isn't it supposed to go away after treatment? Admittedly, after years of counting drops for lyme & bart, et al, I have slacked off the past year because I've felt better.
Is it possible to get rid of bart? I have been following the Buhner protocol for 5 years.

TIA for your replies.
Posted 4/6/2023 3:23 PM (GMT 0)
Buhner's protocols are different depending on where you look and contain up to a dozen different things for bart

what is your current treatment ?
Posted 4/6/2023 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
bartonella is very much intercellular. its double cell wall required two herbs or meds to be effective. maybe switch it up chug a dropper of byron white abart or try zhang allicin and hh2 is a potent combo. maybe ooo and methlyne blue would be cytoprotective to some degree.
Posted 4/6/2023 4:36 PM (GMT 0)
Another idea, based on my own tendency to flare in the spring and fall:

Do you have any issues with mold sensitivity or allergens, or mast cell activation syndrome? In the spring and fall where I live, I am hit with a double-whammy of outdoor molds and pollen, which makes MCAS flare for me. This impacts my digestion (pain, rumbling, diarrhea), and though it doesn't usually impact my spleen, the mast cells in the spleen certainly can be activated by MCAS.

Folks in the mold world say that the symptoms of bartonella and mold toxicity can be indistinguishable, so for those of us who have both, it's easy to blame one when the other is at fault. So I don't mean to doubt your instinct that this is Bartonella-related, just offering another idea in case it's helpful.
Posted 4/6/2023 5:17 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
Buhner's protocols are different depending on where you look and contain up to a dozen different things for bart

what is your current treatment ?

I have backed off consistently treating for lyme & bart, but the past year, most often I had been taking A Bart, A Inflam & NT Detox from Byron White.

With the Buhner protocol, which I followed from his book but was not being consistent the past year, I was taking Jap Knotweed, Chinese skullcap, kudzu, schisandra, red sage (salvia), bidens, rhodiola, houttuynia, motherwort, ashwaganda, cordyceps, quercitin, vitamin E.
Posted 4/6/2023 5:25 PM (GMT 0)

saraeli said...
Another idea, based on my own tendency to flare in the spring and fall:

Do you have any issues with mold sensitivity or allergens, or mast cell activation syndrome? In the spring and fall where I live, I am hit with a double-whammy of outdoor molds and pollen, which makes MCAS flare for me. This impacts my digestion (pain, rumbling, diarrhea), and though it doesn't usually impact my spleen, the mast cells in the spleen certainly can be activated by MCAS.

Folks in the mold world say that the symptoms of bartonella and mold toxicity can be indistinguishable, so for those of us who have both, it's easy to blame one when the other is at fault. So I don't mean to doubt your instinct that this is Bartonella-related, just offering another idea in case it's helpful.

I have, for many years, had spring allergies (tree pollen), but this year for the first time in a long time, I do not have issues. I don't know anything about MCAS. I have suspected that mold has been a problem. We got a stronger dehumidifier for the basement & an air purifier for the basement (I am rarely down there, just to grab food from the freezer) & an air purifier for the 2nd floor. I think that has helped.

The reason I think it is bart is because I get pain in the soles of my feet & in the bones of my feet, & I am constantly hungry during a flare up. Again, I don't know anything about MCAS, so don't know if those are similar symptoms.

So is getting rid of bart a challenge? Not a quick, easy process?
Posted 4/6/2023 5:29 PM (GMT 0)

bluelyme said...
bartonella is very much intercellular. its double cell wall required two herbs or meds to be effective. maybe switch it up chug a dropper of byron white abart or try zhang allicin and hh2 is a potent combo. maybe ooo and methlyne blue would be cytoprotective to some degree.

Thank you Blue.
I think my protocol has included lots of herbs to address bart (see above list I posted of what I've taken), but maybe I need to try some of these you listed. I'm not familiar with them. I have bought almost exclusively from Woodland Essence. Not sure if what you have suggested can be bought from them. If you can tell me where to buy, that would be helpful. Thank you.
Posted 4/6/2023 5:30 PM (GMT 0)
Bart is the hardest for some

i have been treating for several years - but only found out definitively that i was dealing with bart about 1 year ago

the herbs have helped me somewhat - but have not been enough to clear it on their own

i am now using methylene blue and oil of oregano alongside the consistent buhner herbs that i have been on for approx 2 years

progress is slow and steady
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