Anyone cure lifelong bartonella infection?

Has anyone cured a lifelong bartonella infection and if so how ?

Did you have the bartonella psyche issues ?

You had the severe Bart neurological symptoms?

Did you have the Bart neurological issues ?

Saultarus said...
Did you have the Bart neurological issues ?

Yes I did

I had depression, anxiety, bad short term memory, and sleep issues.

byron white is pretty ok stuff at 90:1 ratio . dont jump in at full dropper like i did ...i think i paired it with oil of oregano + i drank 3 bottles before moving on . barts double cell wall make double therapy almost a must ...

on an aside, an old school character lets call him online "don" had some good theories about the calcification protection systemic of bart in biofilms .i used a few herbs and supplements from his "protocol" including chanca piedra , cinnamon bark , msm, dragonsblood, and a few others . recently trying mb for maintenance... keep us posted

Notime4lyme said...
I believe I had a lifelong bartonella infection--severe anxiety since like 4 years old. I think I have no symptoms--and am for all intents and purposes cured. I still have stria on my back though. I don't have anxiety or anything anymore. I ran a half marathon, and "snow running" is one of my favorite things to do.

I have had some semi chronic problems due to either covid or the vaccine, but definitely completely different symptoms (I wish I had not gotten the vaccine!).

As far as how, I took a lot of supplements, the A-bart helped a lot, but boneset helped a lot also. I give God the credit for healing me though. It happened very gradually. A turning point was when I did cold laser therapy, not sure why it helped.

1) I love that you give GOD credit as I’ve found that to be my first line of defense as well.
2) did you create your protocol or was this prescribed? I’ve never heard of the A-Bart of Boneset but I’ve been taking Buehners Barrtonella protocol and not sure if it’s working

I had a lot of neurological issues.
Anxiety, really bad anger outbursts, weird pain, horrible thoughts about hurting people, bad memory, probably some stuff I'm forgetting.
Went away with sida acuta, houttuynia, cinnamon oil and oregano oil.
But I have to keep taking it, it comes back so fast when I stop. Been on this protocol for almost two years now.

Vimzor said...
I had a lot of neurological issues.
Anxiety, really bad anger outbursts, weird pain, horrible thoughts about hurting people, bad memory, probably some stuff I'm forgetting.
Went away with sida acuta, houttuynia, cinnamon oil and oregano oil.
But I have to keep taking it, it comes back so fast when I stop. Been on this protocol for almost two years now.

I have all these as well I’m taking. What are your doses? I am positive for all 4 strains of Bartonella so he now prescribed 2 abx, methylane blue and above herbs you’re taking along with Lauricidin….

i had to work up very gradually on the dose of MB - seemed very potent - took me over 6 months to reach 120mg / day

others have reported similar

sleep problems are very common with bart - as are disturbed sleep during herx like reactions - so it could be that you are experiencing that

Saultarus, can you please describe what you mean by severe psych issues and severe neurological symptoms? I was bedridden for months at a time, was disabled by POTDS, gastroparesis, and MCAS (which is neurologically-mediated to a degree), experienced anxiety, suicidality, brain fog, vertigo, mal de debarquement syndrome, proprioception issues, paresthesia, burning, nerve pain, peripheral neuropathy, sensory issues, coordination issues, and lots of other things that fall into the categories of psych and neurological issues. They kept me in bed off and on for four years, so to me that felt severe.

Obviously I have no way of knowing if those symptoms were from Bartonella specifically, or if they were triggered by mycotoxin exposure, Borrelia, Babesia, Mycoplasma, EBV, chronic stress, trauma, something else, or a combination....

I used the Buhner core protocol on a very low dose for a year or so (which addresses Bartonella a little) and used about a quarter of a Bartonella series kit from DesBio. That's all I did in terms of antimicrobial treatment that would have impacted Bartonella directly. What helped me turn a major corner was addressing mast cell activation syndrome (low-histamine diet, curcumin, quercetin, cromolyn sodium, bromelain, vitamin C, DNRS limbic system retraining) and dysautonomia (some of the MCAS strategies helped with this, too, plus loads of salt and restorative yoga). CBD also has been helpful for basically everything.

i am moderately sensitive to all bartonella treatments

herbs seem to drive stronger reactions than abx - ( my guess is abx have kind of been selected by default to be those substances that are better tolerated as well as antimicrobial ) - but MB was very strong for me in terms of herx reactions

i had to start on around 15mg a day

If you really want clarithromycin, you can just order it online from the usual places.

The bigger concern is that bartonella may be resistant to it, or you will initially kill some susceptible bacteria and leave the resistant ones. At that point, your options are either to switch to something it's not resistant to, or try to overcome the resistance with efflux pump inhibitors. I ran into this problem with antibiotic resistance and it set me back more than a year with treatment because at the time I didn't understand what was happening.

The other major problem that I ran into with bartonella is that slowly ramping up doses can reach a point where the bartonella doesn't quite die but instead reacts by becoming more active and aggressive. This also majorly set me back in treatment. It would be good to try to find at least one drug which reliably kills bartonella, even if you have to pulse it or take it once a week or so, before you start ramping up doses of other things like MB.