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Posted 6/24/2023 12:00 AM (GMT 0)
My body smells of ammonia…again. What should I be taking for it? I read l-lysine may help and if so how many milligrams do I take. I also have low stomach acidity which I contribute to Allegra and Pepcid use for the past 2 years. I would appreciate your thoughts.

Patty
Posted 6/24/2023 12:36 AM (GMT 0)
You should probably be taking something that kills bartonella, as that is one of the most notorious ammonia-producing infections.
Posted 6/24/2023 11:46 AM (GMT 0)
i have not tried either - so i cannot comment on efficacy - but the two things i hear people take to try to reduce ammonia in the system are
burbur pinella
and
l-ornithine

a reference here does seem to support ornithine
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00998474
Posted 6/24/2023 2:57 PM (GMT 0)
for me sparga and biotoxin binder are pretty effective. i also would eat lots of chlorella . when that wasn't enough i would take a warm bentonite bath
Posted 6/24/2023 4:21 PM (GMT 0)
First of all, don’t worry too much about it. I have been reading this forum for 10 years ,…back when it was really busy and there’s a lot of past posts about this.

I’m not so sure detoxing actually cures this more than just time itself does.

In addition to what people mentioned, don’t forget, plain water, also bentonite clay and charcoal capsules. Charcoal capsules can make you burp a charcoal cloud though lol.

In my experience, it’s not any particular bugs in you that use this it’s any of them combined with just a general toxic buildup in your system. Even bad internal gut candida made me smell like ammonia. So when anyone says this certain thing cause me to smell like ammonia, what that really means is pretty much everything does if you have a buildup of whatever it is inside you.
Posted 6/24/2023 4:22 PM (GMT 0)
Taking PPIs in the past will not contribute to long-term low stomach acid. If you really truly do have low stomach acid and have been tested for it, you can take a supplement for that -HCl. Often times low stomach acid is from low thyroid T3.
Posted 6/26/2023 3:38 PM (GMT 0)
Quin, I am on half doses of Rifampin and Azithromycin for the past 4 years.
Astro man, I recently stopped the ppi’s for the mast cells. which I had taken for a long time. Through research there are many articles stating it can lower stomach acidity. I am leaning on the side of candida causing the issue?!
I do know of the supplement -HCL and will run it by my doctor.
Thank you for replying.

Patty
Posted 6/26/2023 3:39 PM (GMT 0)
Quin, I am on half doses of Rifampin and Azithromycin for the past 4 years.
Astro man, I recently stopped the ppi’s for the mast cells. which I had taken for a long time. Through research there are many articles stating it can lower stomach acidity. I am leaning on the side of candida causing the issue?!
I do know of the supplement -HCL and will run it by my doctor.
Thank you for replying.

Patty
Posted 6/28/2023 6:35 AM (GMT 0)
Arginine detoxes ammonia. Ornithine does as well but it's more expensive and they both drive the uric said cycle just the same. Arginine is just one step before ornithine.
Posted 7/1/2023 6:16 AM (GMT 0)
If you've been taking rifampin and azithromycin for four years, it's clearly not working.

This doesn't surprise me, as I found bartonella resistant to both, and I had to find alternatives.
Posted 7/1/2023 12:20 PM (GMT 0)
If you have ever had shingles or have herpes viruses, avoid arginine. It could very likely cause an outbreak.
Posted 7/1/2023 9:46 PM (GMT 0)
Quin, could you share your alternative approaches?

Patty
Posted 7/1/2023 9:51 PM (GMT 0)
Astroman, I’ve read several articles that say H2 inhibitors can cause low stomach acid. I just re-started Allegra.
Posted 7/2/2023 12:57 AM (GMT 0)

summer16 said...
Quin, could you share your alternative approaches?

I've discussed it here https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4315526

but to summarize

If bartonella has become resistant to rifampin (rifampicin) then rifampin is probably useless, as research has shown that this resistance generally does not revert. See https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27667026/

However, resistance to azithromycin may be able to be overcome to some degree.

Your options are

1. Try to overcome the azithromycin resistance with an efflux pump inhibitor such as atovaquone or juglone

2. Switch to another antibiotic, such as minocycline or trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole

I also found it difficult to completely eliminate the bartonella infection unless I also took something that would disturb the dormant bartonella and get it to come out. Some suggestions are disulfiram, lopinavir/ritonavir, methylene blue, and sodium valproate. Ultimately I used sodium valproate, but the choice really depends on what you can tolerate the side effects of.
Posted 7/3/2023 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you, Quin. My llmd thinks that mold is causing me not to get better. I was diagnosed through Labcorp blood work. I had my house inspected for mold and it has basically plant based molds which were only slightly elevated…..not the molds that Labcorp showed. I did have the house remediated which only entailed removing a 1’ x 1’ of sheetrock by the water heater and washing off the garage ceiling with chemicals. I recently returned from my sister’s house in Maine after a 6 month stay. She had a water problem in her basement for a couple of years which was resolved while there. We did work in the basement for a couple of days so I am assuming I got mold from her house. I will talk to the doctor about changing up my protocol but he can be stubborn.
Posted 7/4/2023 1:33 AM (GMT 0)
Everyone is exposed to mold to some degree. I've found it's more a matter of how you react to it. There's definitely mold around here, but it only bothers me when it gets on my skin, or in my nose and eyes.

When the mold gets on my skin, it smells like brie or camembert or some other moldy cheese. It is a very different smell than the bartonella, so I can easily tell the difference. I took mepron, and the smell and itching went away. I also tried fluconazole, but had too many side effects from that, so went back to mepron.

I've also found that as I've treated lyme and bart, my immune system is better able to handle other things, and doesn't overreact to everything now. So I've generally found that mold is easier to tolerate after you take care of the bigger problems.
Posted 7/4/2023 6:48 AM (GMT 0)

summer16 said...
Quin, I am on half doses of Rifampin and Azithromycin for the past 4 years.
Astro man, I recently stopped the ppi’s for the mast cells. which I had taken for a long time. Through research there are many articles stating it can lower stomach acidity. I am leaning on the side of candida causing the issue?!
I do know of the supplement -HCL and will run it by my doctor.
Thank you for replying.

Patty

Patty - you might want to try Rifabutin. My first Lyme doc prescribed Rifampin and I did lose a lot of symptoms but not all.
Then I went to the Jemsek clinic and he prescribed Rifabutin (part of his Bartonella/Persisters protocol) and I made progress and that lead to remission.
He described Rifabutin as “cleaner” than Rifabutin.
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