Neural Zoomer Test - High Anti-Mag

Has any ever had a neural zoomer test by Vibrant Wellness? I had one done recently and the test results showed my level of anti-mag to be high. I don’t know a lot about this antibody but seems to be related to the myelin sheath. Is anyone familiar with this kind of result? I assume it’s related to Lyme but could this be something else? Thanks!

Thanks so much for your response dcd.

I have occasional numbness - most often in my right arm, behind my neck and my back. Also experience muscle weakness from time to time.

Over the last couple of months, I’ve had quite a bit of muscle wasting as well as changes in my spine (I’m a bit crooked now). Can those symptoms be related to anti-mag? And if so, do you know if there a way to treat it to stop more damage?

I had an appointment with a neurologist this past Friday and asked him about it. He said the same thing about not trusting the lab and he is going to have me retested and also wants me to have an EMG done. I wanted to ask about it here though because he is also very dismissive of the idea of chronic Lyme…wants me to see an infectious disease doctor, etc. It’s difficult to know who or what to believe.

Thanks again - very helpful!

about 13 years ago I had a bulls eye rash and doctor prescribed antibiotics but test came back negative so I’m sure I didn’t finish them. Fast forward to three years ago and I lost my sister to cancer. The grief seemed to bring on brain fog and just a general not feeling well for a few months. I saw my doctor, got my thyroid checked but nothing significant showed up. All symptoms resolved within about 6 months.

I was feeling fine until I hurt my lower back this summer and was prescribed a dose pack of methylprednisolone. While the meds seemed to help my back, 10 days after taking them I started to have dizziness, anxiety and panic. I didn’t know what was happening at the time so immediately started eating clean and drinking lots of water assuming this was some kind of delayed reaction to the steroids. After a couple of weeks, I started to feel a little better so went and got my first dose of Pfizer. It’s been downhill since then.

I suspected Lyme at that point because I read somewhere that steroids “wake up” chronic Lyme. I also started experiencing more symptoms - numbness, weakness, tingling, vibrations, almost constant “dizziness”, joint pain/cracking, incessant need to clear my throat among others.

I ended up having a Lyme test done at the same lab as the neural zoomer - Vibrant Wellness. I was positive for Lyme, Bartonella, Anaplasma and Erlichia (and a handful of things like EBV).

Also, I live in Massachusetts so the likelihood I’ve been bitten by many ticks in my lifetime is high.

I’ll circle back when I have the EMG results and the new anti-mag results. I’m really hoping and praying it was a false positive but some of the odd feelings I have in my neck and back have me concerned. Thanks again!!

Allegradiana said...
I have done neural zoomer 4x since 5/21 I have been getting more and more positive from many of the proteins. anti dopamine anti glial anti cerebellum anti gaba aquaporins 4 etc…about 10 gig iga positive and 14 moderate gig iga it has really been a rollercoaster as sometimes I’m fine and other days like I’m going backwards. I have maintained a positive outlook and they found I was really reactive to corn potato’s and barley so I completely removed them from my diet. In September i had a good test better than last may and I have been feeling better almost everyday. I was also drinking molecular hydrogen water. But I haven’t drank the water since the summer and now my numbers are off the charts…Im trying to focus on how I feel and not what the tests say but if there is something I can do to repair my brain I need to do it now not when its way down the road…any suggestions?

Welcome to the forum.
Feel free to start your own thread and introduce yourself (if you want to)

Did you injure your spine

I would look into getting a neural zoomer and seeing what you can gind

My FD thinks I did some damage/ injury to my head and that’s why I all of a sudden got brain autoimmune
I’ve been scrambling trying to think what I could have done

Peroneal nerve injury means you injured that specific nerve, which is a type of peripheral neuropathy. The peroneal nerve is a large fiber sensory-motor nerve that affects both pain sensation/feeling and motor control in your legs. Hence the numbness and footdrop.

Your presentation is extremely odd. The reason is becuase it is both affecting only your peroneal nerves, and it is symmetrical.

Firstly, it is affecting only your peroneal nerve. Because of this, one would assume that it is due to injury to that specific nerve. An autoimmune or infectious inflammatory process would be more likely to affect other nerves as well. In order for that one nerve to be affected, its likely something happened to that nerve specfically, like an injury. And the EMG didnt show evidence of demylination.

But...its also symmetrical. I.e, its affecting both of your peroneal nerves. Which kind of rules out an injury, unless you injured both of them...which is very unlikely, and you dont report an injury. A symmetrical presentation would lend itself more towards an inflammatory process. But we already ruled that out.

So we've gone in a circle and ruled out both inflammatory causes and injuries. If lyme were the cause then it would be causing demyelination/inflammation, which is essentially an autoimmune process and should show as much on an EMG, but your dr is saying he already ruled that out based on the NCS findings.

It's possible you have a vitamin deficiency. Have you had your b12 checked? This could possibly be the culprit and is a very common cause of large fiber peripheral neuropathy. They would also have to consider genetic causes, and there's a test for it run by Invitae which I believe is actually free.

Edit: I see some case reports here of Lyme disease causing a peroneal neuropathy. It’s possible his EMG just did not pick up the inflammatory process. I also see from reading your posts that you have POTs (autonomic neuropathy) and MCAS, which makes an inflammatory process more likely. Im changing my opinion based on this new information, and if he rules out other causes like deficiencies or genetics, we might have to assume there’s an inflammatory process at work and I’d consult an LLMD like David Younger who uses IVIG to treat this type of inflammatory process

https://boneandjoint.org.uk/article/10.1302/0301-620x.92b5.23345

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 2/6/2024 10:43:42 AM (GMT-8)

Thank you so much for your inputs, I really appreciate it! I thought I might share what the report from the neurologist says which might shed more light?

Sensory response from left superficial peroneal nerve was absent, associated with an absent motor response from left EDB. The rest of the sensory and motor studies in both lower limbs are normal except for possible conduction block in the right peroneal nerve at the knee.

Needle EMG examination showed reduced volitional activity in most of the muscles examined. As a result, a complete interpretation was difficult but the reduced volitional activity was predominantly seen in both tibialis anterior, left more than the right.

Conclusion

It looks like she may have a left common peroneal nerve lesion at the head of fibular region and a similar milder one on the right side as well. Examination was difficult due to the patient’s difficulty in activating the muscles, but overall I suspect her problems are due to bilateral, left more than the right common peroneal nerve lesions. There is no evidence of a significant peripheral neuropathy or active lumbosacral radiculopathy.

Her previous Covid may have caused chronic fatigue and subsequently she may have developed mild bilateral, left more than the right common peroneal nerve lesions from inactivity, post Covid or nutritional deficiencies. These may have precipitated reduced activation of her muscles. Intense physio and correction any nutritional deficiencies and other causes is recommended.

Then this is what my Lyme doc said when he read that report:

... tells me that she recently saw ..., Consultant Clinical Neurophysiologist, and underwent E M G and nerve conduction studies on the 18 December 2023. The conclusion of the test reported that she may have a left common peroneal nerve lesion at the head of the fibular region and a similar milder one on the right side as well from possible inactivity, possible COVID or nutritional deficiency. My other suspicion is that this could be caused by her tick-borne related diseases including Lyme.

I've uploaded the results of the EMG and NCS to this link

https://ibb.co/FHd7yDd

I had my B12 levels tested and okay I think - B12 - 570 - reference range 200 - 900

Does any of this information change your initial ideas and thoughts of the situation? thank you for your input!

Thank you for your help! I had the follow up with the neurologist who said that usually it's caused by an injury and it's not usually intermittent like mine is which is very strange (he doesn't know I have lyme) so he suspects it could be caused by nutritional deficiencies because I have exocrine pancreatic insufficiency (EPI) which causes malabsorption and therefore deficiencies or my thyroid disorder

My LLMD thinks it could be caused by Lyme

He said some people have surgery to get a splint fitted which I'm not going to do

He also recommends physiotherapy for it

He also said that it's reversible and the nerves can heal over time

So I'm going to focus on addressing the EPI, thyroid and nutritional deficiencies, carry on treating lyme and see what happens over time!

Also yes I do have MCAS and POTS but I've had those for decades whereas this specific nerve injury is fairly new which is why I saw a neurologist about it recently