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Posted 2/8/2024 8:03 PM (GMT 0)
As I'm not posting here that often anymore, here is a short recap of my story. Got sick after living in mold about 10 years ago and got Lyme a few years after that. Very sensitive to treatment so focused mostly on lifestyle factors with some treatment now and then. I'm working full time as a software developer and able to exercise a lot and in general in quite good shape, with sensitivities to different things as the biggest problem.

I bought a 250 ml drink recently that has fruits and berries and I'm having very strong detox reactions from it. A lot of pain, frequent urination, brain fog, bad breath and similar. Bought it again and I'm testing smaller amounts this time where I have taken some for 2 days, and will take a break for a few days before I finish it.

Same issues but in a smaller scale as I take less. I find this interesting and I will have this as my focus “treatment” for a while as something is clearly happening. I have been focusing more on taking different treatments again last 2 months also, where I in general take something about twice a week, where I have rotated different things.

Ingredients: apple, rhubarb, blueberries, blackthorn berries and sour cherries.
It's not apple and blueberries as I don’t have any issues with them. Any theories on what might be happening here? It's not an allergic reaction or something like that, as I know this well as a strong detox reaction/herx. A bit confused by the reaction.
Posted 2/8/2024 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
not my expert area - but the bottle and ads etc tend to paint a picture of pretty young ladies dancing through meadows picking perfect berries, fruits etc and placing them gently in wicker baskets

i wonder if the real world process is more industrial, tractors, big piles of fruit and big vats and maybe a chance for molds to develop?
Posted 2/8/2024 9:06 PM (GMT 0)
Can you post a link to the particular beverage?
Posted 2/8/2024 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
Here is the link. The site is in Swedish
https://www.olioli.se/produkter/drycker/beskows-vy-apple-slanbar-250-ml.html

Dont think it's mold. I notice on the smell on my urine, sweat and on my breath when my body is clearing out toxins. That doesn’t happen when I'm in contact with mold.

Post Edited (Deep_sleep) : 2/8/2024 1:17:06 PM (GMT-8)

Posted 2/9/2024 7:04 AM (GMT 0)
I can bet my life savings it is the rhubarb and its oxolates toxicing you.

Here is a great podcast about its effects to get some more info:
https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/betterhealthguy-blogcasts/id1213062593?i=1000601648432
Posted 2/9/2024 8:17 AM (GMT 0)
I don't think it's a negative reaction, and I eat other food with oxalates without any problem. I had similar effects but smaller from eating small amounts of liver patey (organic good quality that my girlfriend makes), which now works well. Or when doing interval training. My theory is that my body is loaded in toxins in my liver, kidney or similar, and for some reason, this is triggering to detox that. I also have issues with earthing that make me detox more.
I did take liver and kidney tests a while ago and they didn’t show any major problems.
Posted 2/9/2024 10:02 AM (GMT 0)
hi deep sleep I would be really curious to understand the mechanisms on how these fruits can cause the body to detox or kill infections and cause a herx? bc I didn't think any of these fruits could do that

my initial thoughts are that it is the oxalates in the rhubarb and blackthorn berries that are bothering you because both of these are high in oxalates.The symptoms you described are typical of oxalates and there is a link between having mould issues and oxalate issues.

have you done an OAT test or had your oxalate levels tested?
Posted 2/9/2024 2:37 PM (GMT 0)

Deep_sleep said...
My theory is that my body is loaded in toxins in my liver, kidney or similar, and for some reason, this is triggering to detox that. . . . I did take liver and kidney tests a while ago and they didn’t show any major problems.

TUDCA helped me a lot with this. My liver and kidney labs were always normal.
Posted 2/10/2024 6:15 AM (GMT 0)
I think better avoid rhubarb at least when fighting an illness. Oxolates are supersharp crystals. It is natures defence mechanism to not be eaten and takes a healthy unloaded body to manage.
And rhubarb is extra full of it, there is no point of eating that vegetable..
Posted 2/10/2024 10:56 AM (GMT 0)
I do eat a lot of other high oxalate foods like cashew nuts, broccoli, blueberries, kiwi, olives and others from the list here without any issues https://draxe.com/nutrition/oxalate/

If I only had the increase of symptoms it would be one thing, but as I notice exactly how it feels when my body Is passing toxins and I get better if I do sauna and epsom foot baths I don’t think oxaltates is the issue here.

Why this happens I don’t know, my theory is around some deficiency that helps my body to process things.
Will have the last part of the second bottle today and continue to experiment with this. Plan to use the sauna both today and tomorrow.
Posted 2/10/2024 7:33 PM (GMT 0)
infrared saunas and epsom salt baths are treatment that help with oxalate toxicity
Posted 2/11/2024 6:23 AM (GMT 0)
Its been around one year ago I started removing oxalates in the diet since then I have regained my strength a lot.

But one could never be certain I might would have improved anyway..😄
Posted 2/11/2024 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
Two things not mentioned , FODmap foods and digestive candida.

Both can affect me.

Can Be difficult to tell the difference between a detox reaction, a herx and just a reaction. All of them create ill symptoms.
Posted 2/11/2024 9:45 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah whatever it is I'm taking a break from the juice. A bigger portion yesterday and not feeling well now. I'm shaking a bit and will see if if I can manage to work tomorrow or not.
Posted 2/12/2024 6:29 PM (GMT 0)
Shivering last night and got very warm near my groin. An interesting thing is that when I got sick 10 years ago I got red over my body but the part that got the most red was the groin.
Worked 4 hours today but have been sleeping a lot, poor appetite, and cough up a lot of mucus recently. Do I got a flu/covid or is it a reaction to my other illness? Don’t really know.
Posted 2/13/2024 9:42 AM (GMT 0)
My girlfriend is now also sick so I guess that sovled that question. Taking Argentyn 23 and NAC now instead. And no work at all where I will spend some more time on the guitar. I actually got it last year after I was sick with covid as I was so bored, and wanted the next time time I was sick to be better.
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