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Posted 2/22/2024 3:48 PM (GMT 0)
I've recently changed my treatment protocol, and about a month into it I began to develop
acne/blemishes in specific areas, such as my head/hair/scalp areas. They have been rather localized - not widespread. Also feeling more cruddy than usual, along with my monthly die-off lasting longer than normal.
In anyone's experience, is this a positive reaction (doing the work) in attacking my infection?

Thanks,
Rob
Posted 2/22/2024 3:57 PM (GMT 0)
Personally, I don’t take feeling worse or having adverse reactions as a sign that infections are being eradicated.

What are you using now as your treatment protocol?
Posted 2/22/2024 3:59 PM (GMT 0)
This can happen on ABX, as the "flora" of your whole body is altered/changed inside and out. Some people get digestive Candida after long term abx and some get similar flora takeovers on their skin, some get both. My highly experienced LLMD said this was not uncommon when it happened to me (both).

It took six months after my tick abx treatment for my skin to be more normal again for a 40 something adult (vs teenagers skin).
Posted 2/22/2024 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
Strange, but I had none of this for the 8 months that I was on traditional antibiotics, and I was off of them for several months and into my new protocol before this began to occur. My current protocol is essentially Buehner based.......
Posted 2/22/2024 4:47 PM (GMT 0)
I had a feeling you were using herbs. Are you using Andrographis?

That herb is known for causing skin reactions and should be discontinued if that occurs.
Posted 2/22/2024 5:31 PM (GMT 0)
i get flaring of skin symptoms whenever i take anti-microbials - or step them up
it doesn't seem to matter whether its herbal or antibiotic based treatment - both cause the same issues - pretty reliably

typically this includes

-scabs on my scalp that form spontaneously

-small white pustules in the skin in non-typical places - like thighs, arms or flanks

i think the scalp stuff is just come kind of inflammation driven skin condition - as i get some around my mouth at times also that is similar

my best guess is the pustules are dead white blood cells and bacterial debris that my skin is trying to exude from pores - but often causes them to become blocked with these waxy white plugs of material - and hence the pustules are formed

so this stuff is herx related i think

Andrographis tends to cause hives in a small percentage of people - so a pretty obvious hypersensitivity reaction - raised pink itchy welts that get worse if you keep taking it - rather than spots - so that should be pretty easy to differentiate

digestive issues caused by inflammation from disturbing the microbiome or causing inflammation in there - eg from killing bacteria - can also cause a variety of skin conditions.
Posted 2/22/2024 5:32 PM (GMT 0)
Yes - I was suspicious of that also, but this is not like the nasty reaction that can occur w/ with those who are allergic to Andrographis. This didn't begin to occur until I was several months into this new regimen and is definitely acne and not hives. Again, it is not widespread and occurs one here-and-there, eventually they heal over time.
Posted 2/22/2024 5:51 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Garzie for your input!
Yes - these appear to be just like what you are speaking of.
While acne-like in appearance, they are thick & plug-like - not like the typical acne I am used to experiencing.
From your personal experience, it would seem like my new regimen is doing something positive, perhaps
causing a more aggressive die-off of my infection?
Again, I didn't experience any of this when I was on standard antibiotics, but then again, they didn't get much done either......
Posted 2/22/2024 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
well i am using Buhner herbs and antibiotics - and these things have certainly taken an uptick over time

so i am just guessing at the mechanisms

i have spoken to others who have had acne during treatment - of the more typical type
and also to others here that have these blocked pore pustules like i have described

re pustules - i tend to think either lyme or bart is responsible somehow - but others have expressed that they thought it was likely babesia - although they didnt get back to me on why exactly they thought that
possibly if flared during Babesia treatment

which buhner herbs are you taking?
Posted 2/22/2024 7:08 PM (GMT 0)
-Combo of Knotweed/Curcumin/Quercetin (AM) - mutually beneficial for absorption
-Andrographis (PM)
-Cordyceps (AM/PM)
-Normal support supplements (Mag, D3,C, CoQ10, MultiVit, Omega3, etc.....)

And yes, I've been experimenting with several others along the way......

Rob
Posted 2/22/2024 7:15 PM (GMT 0)
here is mine in case its any help

i started with all the Lyme ones - which were pretty easy to get to full dose of
then added the co-infection ones when that was stable

had to ramp up gradually over approx. 1 year

numbers to the right are dose in millilitres (there are around 40 drops per millilitre) - all taken 4x per day. so, for example, knotweed is 6ml 4x per day. a total of 24ml a day

Lyme herbs: (as per Buhner's 2nd edition of "Healing Lyme")
• Knotweed 1:5 70% - 6
• Chinese Skullcap root 1:4 50% - 2
• Uncaria Rhynchophylla 1:4 60% - 4
• Cordyceps Mycelium 1:4 50% - 3
• Salvia Miltiorrhiza root 1:4 60% - 3.8
• Uncaria tormentosa bark 1:4 60% - 3
• Kudzu root - 50% - 3
• Licorice root – 50% - 0.5

bartonella / coinfection herbs:
• Mahonia root bark 1:5 70% tincture 2.1 (a berberine containing herb)
• Houttuynia leaf 1:5 50% tincture 3.2
• Sida acuta leaf 1:5 60% tincture 1.0
• Teasel root 1:3 45% tincture 0.8
• Alchornea leaf 1:5 50% tincture 1.0
• Cryptolepis root 1:5 60% tincture 1.0
Posted 2/23/2024 4:07 PM (GMT 0)
Wow - that is an extensive treatment protocol!
Do you find it challenging to maintain, or do you selectively use aspects of it as needed ?
Posted 2/23/2024 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
yep - its a lot - and as i make all my on tinctures - its a lot of work

but i am committed to doing whatever it takes - and so when i find something that seems t help - i just get on with it

no half measures or stopping and starting - if it helps - i just do it and keep doing it

i started with the lyme herbs - which helped a little and maybe also stopped me getting worse - then added the co-infection herbs - which helped some more - but still plateaued - so am now adding abx on top and getting further progress

i am around 60% recovered - perhaps more on good days
but it seems they are just very hard infections to treat/ get to the other side
Posted 2/23/2024 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
I fully understand what you are saying - Lyme Disease is "healed"......usually not "cured", especially when it takes up residence in the body. Because each case is different, I try a lot of treatments, and settle on the ones that generate results/responses. I have found what works for one, may not do so for another, and visa-versa. As a result, I have become my own advocate in my treatment.

Sorry for the rant........

Rob
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