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Posted 3/2/2024 2:09 PM (GMT 0)
Is there something that can be taken before the treatment and would lower the reaction besides taking something after to mitigate it?

I'm guessing most binders are out of the question since they would lower the efficacity of treatment but maybe chlorella or modified citrus pectin is fine?

Also is the reaction caused by LDN the same as taking antibiotics/herbals or is it a different type? it seems to hit roughly the same although in a slightly different way, so maybe it is a different type of reaction that requires something else to lower it, being able to take more LDN while having the same intensity of side effects would probably be useful.
Posted 3/2/2024 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
Glutathione IV helped me a lot. Liposomal or s-acetyl-l-glutathion also works but less so.
Posted 3/2/2024 4:04 PM (GMT 0)
And we all forget the obvious what might actually help a little bit, that being drinking more water.
Posted 3/2/2024 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
A herx happens when more infection is being killed than the body can get rid of which creates an inflammatory response, so the best thing to do to avoid a herx is to work on opening your drainage pathways before any antimicrobial treatment, if you still get a herx when you start the antimicrobial treatment then increase your drainage pathways more

For liver:
- kl support from cellcore
- milk thistle
- dandelion
- glutathione
- NAC
- ALA
- castor oil packs
- lemon water
- adel hepat tonic drops

For lymph:
- dry brushing
- zen chi machine
- vibration plate
- rebounder
- lymphatic drainage massage
- lymph active from cellcore
- walking
- compression boots
- adel 48 Itres drops
- heel lymphomyosot drops

For gut:
- ensure bowel movements at least once per day

For gallbladder / liver:
- tudca
- coffee enemeas
- ox bile

For kidneys:
- kl support from cellcore
- parsley
- beetroot
- adequate hydration

For skin:
- sweating via exercise
- sweating via infrared saunas
- magnesium epsom salt baths

Binders don't stop anti microbials from working so you can use any, it's just best to take them a couple of hours away from other supplements, food and medications. Examples are biotoxin binder from cellcore, activated charcoal, chlorella, zeolite, bentonite clay - you might want to rotate them so you always have a biotoxin binder on board

Post Edited (emma blonde voyage) : 3/2/2024 9:07:42 AM (GMT-8)

Posted 3/2/2024 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
ref LDN - i dont think we know yet what exactly the herx like reactions while on LDN are from

the theory proposed by people like the LDN research trust - are that its modulating the immune system - and as such when the immune system is functioning better it finds and fights the chronic infections - and this causes a kind of herx

there is some scientific basis for this - in that we know the neuroendocrine system is one pathway that regulates our immune system - and LDN has been shown to impact the neuroendocrine system - but i dont think its been fully bottomed out yet

LDN is a really very unusual drug - starting dose and ramp up rate needs to be individualised to each patient carefully to get benefits without making things worse - as such i would not recommend taking more than one can comfortably tolerate - and trying then to damp down the herx type reactions - to my mind and in my experience - its during the gradual ramp up phase that the benefits occur - and not from getting to some magical target dose number
Posted 3/3/2024 7:29 PM (GMT 0)
Another idea for you: Sometimes when people herx more strongly than other people seem to, it's because of mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS). MCAS treatments can be helpful for toning down the reaction - curcumin, quercetin, bromelain, vitamin C, cromolyn sodium (Rx), nettles, a low-histamine diet, and lots of other things can help chill out your mast cells as your body processes a herx.
Posted 3/4/2024 5:08 PM (GMT 0)
Emma gave a pretty comprehensive list. I would add an antihistamine like Zyrtec to saraeli’s list of mast cell stabilizers. The directions say 1 tablet every 24 hours. However, I have found that much lower doses work well for me without drying me out or making me feel like I have an antihistamine hangover.

If symptoms are really bad, you could do 1/2 tablet every 12 hours instead of 1 tablet every 24 hours. As regular relief, I find 1/4 tablet once a day is sufficient for me.
Posted 3/4/2024 6:07 PM (GMT 0)
Lots of great suggestions. I will say I have been at this a long time and my experience has been that while lots of these "detox" methods do help, especially temporarily, I still herx badly during any antimicrobial treatment. The only thing that has improved that is successful treatment over time and, I assume, a lessened infectious load.

Personally, I do NAC, ALA, glutathione, epsom salt baths, IR sauna, dry brushing, stretching, exercise when tolerated, hot/cold contrast (seems to help inflammation temporarily), rest, eating well, fasting when feeling really bad, and stopping treatment temporarily or lowering dosage/frequency when really feeling crummy.

The only things I haven't tried out of the popular methods you see listed in many places is coffee enema, IV glutathione, and myers cocktail.
Posted 3/7/2024 12:48 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone for your answers, i will try these and see if it makes any difference, i'm not sure yet but i think one of my main issue is actually lymph related, it always presents itself or at least seem to present itself as muscle tension and nerve pain/electricity but every time i take red root tincture which is very good for lymph circulation it alleviates a good part of the symptoms, so i probably have to take more of it but since it's a tincture taking more is not a good idea since it makes post treatment nausea worse and just makes me more sick in general, so instead i will try to take large doses of some of these lymph suplements that have a bunch of different stuff in it.

I already tried exercises for lymph circulation but it only seems to work up to a certain point and then even if i do more i dont get better, but taking red root doesnt seem to have that limit or at least i didnt notice it, i could be wrong but i think it could be related to the fact of taking a chemical (components in red root and other herbs) to treat an issue that is chemically caused (biotoxins from bacteria die-off) versus doing a physical exercise to treat a chemical problem which will eventually have it's limits since it cant adress the chemical issue, so the idea is that since the issue is chemically based the most effective treatment against it should also be chemical components and all the other types of treatments will have a limit of effectiveness that will be reached sooner, but that's pure speculation and i could be wrong on that.
Posted 3/7/2024 1:19 PM (GMT 0)
George,

Have you used TUDCA? That helped me more than anything I ever tried. I had great difficulty detoxing and suffered a lot of pain for a lot of years before finally trying it.
Posted 3/7/2024 1:27 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...
George,

Have you used TUDCA? That helped me more than anything I ever tried. I had great difficulty detoxing and suffered a lot of pain for a lot of years before finally trying it.

Never tried it but definitly will now, thanks, i always noticed that taking redbull (which has taurine in it) did something good, but obviously drinking too much of that stuff not so good and TUDCA is probably even much better than taurine alone, could be good.
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